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I've tried it and didn't like it at all. It's a memory hog, start-up times are horrendous, I've had lots of glitches on MacOS and I detest XAML. Overall it real

I've tried it and didn't like it at all. It's a memory hog, start-up times are horrendous, I've had lots of glitches on MacOS and I detest XAML. Overall it really feels like yet another alpha state product. Besides, I'm not really keen on using Microsoft products. Right now I have big hopes for Iced on Rust.

osigurdson 3y ago
MS Teams devs obviously feel the same as they didn't bother using any of this stuff (Maui, Avalonia, Xamarin). I get the sense the Microsoft groups developing these technologies are suffering from MIC (Manager is Customer) syndrome.
marwis 3y ago
Avalonia is not made by Microsoft.
- yungporko 3y ago
  .NET is a microsoft product
  - pjmlp 3y ago
    That is like blaming Oracle and JetBrains, for whatever Google does with Java and Kotlin on Android.
JaggerJo 3y ago
When did you try it? We use Avalonia for our Product and honestly couldn’t be happier.
- pregnenolone 3y ago
  >When did you try it? Not even 3 months ago. >We use Avalonia for our Product and honestly couldn’t be happier. What do you mean "couldn't be happier"? Start-up times and memory consumption are objectively bad. Also something someone else already mentioned in here: font rendering just feels really off.
  - JaggerJo 3y ago
    > Start-up times and memory consumption are objectively bad. Hah, interesting. On desktop (Apple M2) it pretty much feels instant to me. When targeting embedded, sure there is a delay. Regarding memory consumption, can't really tell. It never was at the point where we had to intervene AND we target embedded devices with some apps. What's your benchmark?
    - pregnenolone 3y ago
      >On desktop (Apple M2) it pretty much feels instant to me. Why are you lying? It's not quick, let alone "pretty much instant". Neither on my M3 nor on my gaming machine. Actually I think Avalonia's start-up time is the worst out of all GUI frameworks I've used so far, including Electron.
      - olgsb 3y ago
        I use it with "Compiled bindings" (https://docs.avaloniaui.net/docs/basics/data/data-binding/compiled-bindings https://docs.avaloniaui.net/docs/basics/data/data-binding/co...) and it feels instant to me too (on a I7-8750H). Without this option, bindings use Reflection and it can be quite slow.
      - JaggerJo 3y ago
        What app are you starting? For me it feels instant. Like opening sublime text. Faster than opening VS Code..
      - pindab0ter 3y ago
        Rather than assume someone is lying, maybe look for what another explanation might be.
weazl 3y ago
It's super fast if you use Native AOT. My entire application starts up in 0.3 seconds, that includes Avalonia and all my code too. It does use more memory than I'd like though, about 200 MB.

osigurdson 3y ago

MS Teams devs obviously feel the same as they didn't bother using any of this stuff (Maui, Avalonia, Xamarin). I get the sense the Microsoft groups developing these technologies are suffering from MIC (Manager is Customer) syndrome.

marwis 3y ago

Avalonia is not made by Microsoft.

yungporko 3y ago
.NET is a microsoft product
- pjmlp 3y ago
  That is like blaming Oracle and JetBrains, for whatever Google does with Java and Kotlin on Android.

JaggerJo 3y ago

When did you try it? We use Avalonia for our Product and honestly couldn’t be happier.

pregnenolone 3y ago
>When did you try it? Not even 3 months ago. >We use Avalonia for our Product and honestly couldn’t be happier. What do you mean "couldn't be happier"? Start-up times and memory consumption are objectively bad. Also something someone else already mentioned in here: font rendering just feels really off.
- JaggerJo 3y ago
  > Start-up times and memory consumption are objectively bad. Hah, interesting. On desktop (Apple M2) it pretty much feels instant to me. When targeting embedded, sure there is a delay. Regarding memory consumption, can't really tell. It never was at the point where we had to intervene AND we target embedded devices with some apps. What's your benchmark?
  - pregnenolone 3y ago
    >On desktop (Apple M2) it pretty much feels instant to me. Why are you lying? It's not quick, let alone "pretty much instant". Neither on my M3 nor on my gaming machine. Actually I think Avalonia's start-up time is the worst out of all GUI frameworks I've used so far, including Electron.
    - olgsb 3y ago
      I use it with "Compiled bindings" (https://docs.avaloniaui.net/docs/basics/data/data-binding/compiled-bindings https://docs.avaloniaui.net/docs/basics/data/data-binding/co...) and it feels instant to me too (on a I7-8750H). Without this option, bindings use Reflection and it can be quite slow.
    - JaggerJo 3y ago
      What app are you starting? For me it feels instant. Like opening sublime text. Faster than opening VS Code..
    - pindab0ter 3y ago
      Rather than assume someone is lying, maybe look for what another explanation might be.

weazl 3y ago

It's super fast if you use Native AOT. My entire application starts up in 0.3 seconds, that includes Avalonia and all my code too. It does use more memory than I'd like though, about 200 MB.