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Eh. When I saw the Macintosh II demoed in 1987 compared to my Amiga 2000 which was released at basically the same time, I already knew the Amiga was screwed.

ekianjo 3y ago
the mac 2 was like ten times the price of the Amiga.
tdeck 3y ago
Looking at the UIs for early Macintosh vs. Amiga Workbench it feels like Amiga didn't put much thought into aesthetics. Just look at the color scheme they chose for the desktop UI: https://guidebookgallery.org/screenshots/amigaos10 https://guidebookgallery.org/screenshots/amigaos10 It seems they had at least 64 colors to choose from and they went with... Orange and white on blue? They also decided icons should be able to be arbitrary sizes for some reason, a feature I haven't seen in other GUIs. Here's workbench 2.0, which is better but still pretty unappealing. https://theamigamuseum.com/amiga-kickstart-workbench-os/workbench/workbench-2-0/ https://theamigamuseum.com/amiga-kickstart-workbench-os/work... Scrolling through I thought "wait, that one doesn't look too bad" and then realized I was looking at a screenshot from Windows.
- zozbot234 3y ago
  That color scheme was allegedly picked for visibility on very low-end TV sets. (The Amiga palette colors could be chosen arbitrarily from 4-bits per channel RGB, so that wasn't a constraint.) (The icons weren't just arbitrary sized, they could have different pictures for the selected and unselected state. You see this with the open vs. closed drawer icons (drawers are like "folders" in other OS's) but many app icons also used this effect.)
  - tdeck 3y ago
    Be that as it may, if you look at C64 GEOS which ran on consumer TV sets and with comparatively primitive hardware, the UI looks so much nicer in GEOS to my eye. Even the Apple II GEOS makes Workbench look like a hot mess. https://guidebookgallery.org/screenshots/geosc64 https://guidebookgallery.org/screenshots/geosc64 https://guidebookgallery.org/screenshots/geosapple https://guidebookgallery.org/screenshots/geosapple
- jboy55 3y ago
  There weren't any 'default' icons, so the workbench didn't show you everything on the disk, only programs with ".info" files which had the icon. You had to drop to the command line to do most low level things. Of course, Workbench didn't really matter when you were playing games.
  - zozbot234 3y ago
    There was an option to show everything - with default icons. (Not very useful ones since notions of document ("project") file types were not used all that much, so every file showed as some sort of executable. But the option was absolutely there even though it wasn't the default.)
    - jboy55 3y ago
      Only on WB2.0+, for a decent number of years we didn't have that.
- antod 3y ago
  At the time though it didn't seem any worse than the Mac though, and it had colors - even if the defaults weren't great, any colors seemed better than none. Or at least that was how tasteless teenage me saw it.
jboy55 3y ago
The Mac barely survived Wintel, so its not that apt of a comparison. If Microsoft didn't port Word/Excel over, I don't think we'd have many options now.
- scarface_74 3y ago
  This is also not what happened. Office was available for the Mac first in 1989 and later came to Windows. PowerPoint was original a Mac app that was acquired by MS. Word was available on the Mac in 1985. What you are probably thinking about is the deal that Jobs brokered when he came back for MS to continue supporting the Mac
  - kalleboo 3y ago
    Excel was also originally written for the Mac. Microsoft's DOS spreadsheet was called Multiplan, and was an also-ran next to Lotus 1-2-3.

ekianjo 3y ago

the mac 2 was like ten times the price of the Amiga.

tdeck 3y ago

Looking at the UIs for early Macintosh vs. Amiga Workbench it feels like Amiga didn't put much thought into aesthetics. Just look at the color scheme they chose for the desktop UI: https://guidebookgallery.org/screenshots/amigaos10 https://guidebookgallery.org/screenshots/amigaos10 It seems they had at least 64 colors to choose from and they went with... Orange and white on blue? They also decided icons should be able to be arbitrary sizes for some reason, a feature I haven't seen in other GUIs. Here's workbench 2.0, which is better but still pretty unappealing. https://theamigamuseum.com/amiga-kickstart-workbench-os/workbench/workbench-2-0/ https://theamigamuseum.com/amiga-kickstart-workbench-os/work... Scrolling through I thought "wait, that one doesn't look too bad" and then realized I was looking at a screenshot from Windows.

zozbot234 3y ago
That color scheme was allegedly picked for visibility on very low-end TV sets. (The Amiga palette colors could be chosen arbitrarily from 4-bits per channel RGB, so that wasn't a constraint.) (The icons weren't just arbitrary sized, they could have different pictures for the selected and unselected state. You see this with the open vs. closed drawer icons (drawers are like "folders" in other OS's) but many app icons also used this effect.)
- tdeck 3y ago
  Be that as it may, if you look at C64 GEOS which ran on consumer TV sets and with comparatively primitive hardware, the UI looks so much nicer in GEOS to my eye. Even the Apple II GEOS makes Workbench look like a hot mess. https://guidebookgallery.org/screenshots/geosc64 https://guidebookgallery.org/screenshots/geosc64 https://guidebookgallery.org/screenshots/geosapple https://guidebookgallery.org/screenshots/geosapple
jboy55 3y ago
There weren't any 'default' icons, so the workbench didn't show you everything on the disk, only programs with ".info" files which had the icon. You had to drop to the command line to do most low level things. Of course, Workbench didn't really matter when you were playing games.
- zozbot234 3y ago
  There was an option to show everything - with default icons. (Not very useful ones since notions of document ("project") file types were not used all that much, so every file showed as some sort of executable. But the option was absolutely there even though it wasn't the default.)
  - jboy55 3y ago
    Only on WB2.0+, for a decent number of years we didn't have that.
antod 3y ago
At the time though it didn't seem any worse than the Mac though, and it had colors - even if the defaults weren't great, any colors seemed better than none. Or at least that was how tasteless teenage me saw it.

jboy55 3y ago

The Mac barely survived Wintel, so its not that apt of a comparison. If Microsoft didn't port Word/Excel over, I don't think we'd have many options now.

scarface_74 3y ago
This is also not what happened. Office was available for the Mac first in 1989 and later came to Windows. PowerPoint was original a Mac app that was acquired by MS. Word was available on the Mac in 1985. What you are probably thinking about is the deal that Jobs brokered when he came back for MS to continue supporting the Mac
- kalleboo 3y ago
  Excel was also originally written for the Mac. Microsoft's DOS spreadsheet was called Multiplan, and was an also-ran next to Lotus 1-2-3.