3 ms·

Assuming you are talking about a loss in your own skills, isn’t this exactly what the OP is describing? If people perceived a change in their own abilities, the

Assuming you are talking about a loss in your own skills, isn’t this exactly what the OP is describing? If people perceived a change in their own abilities, the problem would likely not exist.

darkerside 3y ago
This, and perhaps parent's driving skill has just been poor for a very long time now. No drop, just sitting at the bottom.
- Melting_Harps 3y ago
  > This, and perhaps parent's driving skill has just been poor for a very long time now. No drop, just sitting at the bottom. I'm not trying to be mean, but the adage in poker of spotting the fool at the table here applies. And as a person who rides bicycles, motorcycles as well as drives cars, and has driven in the EU with much stricter driving requirements I'd say there has been a massive drop in aptitude over all. So much so that I just want to live a life that allows me to be car-free now. EVs are nice, but having everything I want within walking distance is much more preferable.
  - fransje26 3y ago
    > EVs are nice, but having everything I want within walking distance is much more preferable. Come back to Europe.. ;-)
  - PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
    that's not been my experience, maybe you just live amongst morons?
wegfawefgawefg 3y ago
Its a car. You turn the wheel and press the two buttons. I've beaten spelunky 1, and 2. Im also sporty and coordinated. I know what good motor skills look and feel like, and what being bad at something feels like. If there is a suspicion of skill loss in the population, i dont know why so many people in this thread would blindly accept that. We should all put our good boy skeptic scientist hats on. Are the changes in chrash severity and frequency even for all types of people? Doubtful. In what age ranges and occupations are the biggest changes in. "People crash more now because sudden population wide skill loss" doesnt even pass the basic sanity test. Im gonna need some evidence.
- sokoloff 3y ago
  > Its a car. You turn the wheel and press the two buttons. Given that summary, I'm not surprised that you cannot detect any degradation in your driving skill during a period of not practicing.
  - noirbot 3y ago
    I don't think it's degradation any more than my skills at golf or basketball degrade in the 6 months between times I play either of them. I'm the baseline level of good enough that I'm competent, but I definitely don't have the skills of someone who practices either daily.
    - wegfawefgawefg 3y ago
      Right, and you dont have to be a pro stunt driver to make it to work every day without dying. I honestly dont know what hes getting at. Actually I think most people are significantly safer driving in a way that completely removes opportunity for skill expression. Waiting for other drivers, going normal speeds, not doing something else while driving, etc. Driving should be pretty unskillfull and boring if safe.
    - sokoloff 3y ago
      > definitely don't have the skills of someone who practices either daily And that is exactly the premise of one proposed mechanism by which serious accident rates (and insured losses) may have increased during a period when a great many people who previously practiced something daily then did not do so: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39247101 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39247101
      - wegfawefgawefg 3y ago
        We get the concept, theres just no given evidence and it doesnt pass the smell test. I havent ridden a bike in years i bet im exactly as "skilled" as the last time i was on it. Driving is just not a skill you get worse at if you dont do it for two years. Ive done it, and felt no difference.

Assuming you are talking about a loss in your own skills, isn’t this exactly what the OP is describing? If people perceived a change in their own abilities, the problem would likely not exist.

darkerside 3y ago

This, and perhaps parent's driving skill has just been poor for a very long time now. No drop, just sitting at the bottom.

Melting_Harps 3y ago
> This, and perhaps parent's driving skill has just been poor for a very long time now. No drop, just sitting at the bottom. I'm not trying to be mean, but the adage in poker of spotting the fool at the table here applies. And as a person who rides bicycles, motorcycles as well as drives cars, and has driven in the EU with much stricter driving requirements I'd say there has been a massive drop in aptitude over all. So much so that I just want to live a life that allows me to be car-free now. EVs are nice, but having everything I want within walking distance is much more preferable.
- fransje26 3y ago
  > EVs are nice, but having everything I want within walking distance is much more preferable. Come back to Europe.. ;-)
- PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
  that's not been my experience, maybe you just live amongst morons?

wegfawefgawefg 3y ago

Its a car. You turn the wheel and press the two buttons. I've beaten spelunky 1, and 2. Im also sporty and coordinated. I know what good motor skills look and feel like, and what being bad at something feels like. If there is a suspicion of skill loss in the population, i dont know why so many people in this thread would blindly accept that. We should all put our good boy skeptic scientist hats on. Are the changes in chrash severity and frequency even for all types of people? Doubtful. In what age ranges and occupations are the biggest changes in. "People crash more now because sudden population wide skill loss" doesnt even pass the basic sanity test. Im gonna need some evidence.

sokoloff 3y ago
> Its a car. You turn the wheel and press the two buttons. Given that summary, I'm not surprised that you cannot detect any degradation in your driving skill during a period of not practicing.
- noirbot 3y ago
  I don't think it's degradation any more than my skills at golf or basketball degrade in the 6 months between times I play either of them. I'm the baseline level of good enough that I'm competent, but I definitely don't have the skills of someone who practices either daily.
  - wegfawefgawefg 3y ago
    Right, and you dont have to be a pro stunt driver to make it to work every day without dying. I honestly dont know what hes getting at. Actually I think most people are significantly safer driving in a way that completely removes opportunity for skill expression. Waiting for other drivers, going normal speeds, not doing something else while driving, etc. Driving should be pretty unskillfull and boring if safe.
  - sokoloff 3y ago
    > definitely don't have the skills of someone who practices either daily And that is exactly the premise of one proposed mechanism by which serious accident rates (and insured losses) may have increased during a period when a great many people who previously practiced something daily then did not do so: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39247101 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39247101
    - wegfawefgawefg 3y ago
      We get the concept, theres just no given evidence and it doesnt pass the smell test. I havent ridden a bike in years i bet im exactly as "skilled" as the last time i was on it. Driving is just not a skill you get worse at if you dont do it for two years. Ive done it, and felt no difference.