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literally the only selling feature that has worked towards making me appreciate the vision pro is the automatic IPD adjustment; but that adjustment is so trivia

by serf 3y ago

literally the only selling feature that has worked towards making me appreciate the vision pro is the automatic IPD adjustment; but that adjustment is so trivial (and never touched again) on other headsets that it seems like needless weight, especially given the front-heavy nature of a battery-free headset. also I think it's pretty crummy to throw in a proprietary battery plug when there isn't some power profile requirement to do so; it's just strictly anti-consumer.

yellow_postit 3y ago
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bastawhiz 3y ago
> I think it's pretty crummy to throw in a proprietary battery plug when there isn't some power profile requirement to do so I'm not one to defend Apple, but what else would they use? USB? Folks would just use whatever cord they have lying around, and it probably wouldn't work. USB, for how incredibly amazing it is, has so many incompatible cables that aren't labeled in any way that it's almost a certainty that folks would get it wrong. And with the number of noncompliant cables and chargers out there, you'd already be reading about people frying their brand new Vision Pro devices by plugging them into the wrong thing. At the very least, if you use a knock off Vision Pro battery cable and it fries your device, it's because the cable is manufactured in a grossly negligent way and not because the wrong combination of items were innocently chosen.
- riffraff 3y ago
  I agree that it made sense from a pragmatic point of view, but airpods and ipads come with USB-C and I've never heard a story of anyone frying them with a random cable. I mean, surely it happens but it seems a pretty low frequency event. I feel the intersection of the set of people buying really expensive apple stuff, those who get really cheap USB-C cables, and also not being aware of the issue, is somewhat small.
  - CooCooCaCha 3y ago
    I mean, there could be many reasons. Perhaps USB-C was too easy to knock out of the socket. Perhaps they had special power delivery requirements. The headset has no internal battery, whereas other apple devices do have internal batteries which means they can still work if the power is inconsistent or low.
- makeitdouble 3y ago
  The macbook pro comes with a USB cable and charger, so that's something Apple is OK to do on high power devices.
  - bastawhiz 3y ago
    The cable doesn't sit between the MacBook and its battery
tgsovlerkhgsel 3y ago
Not surprised about the proprietary battery plug. This isn't a charger, it's the devices only power supply. If the power sags or glitches, you get a crash, and the other side has to deal with a lot of variation in the current pulled. Letting people use random power banks wouldn't work well, and constraining yourself to USB-C for what is essentially the connection between your device's battery and the device itself sounds painful.
- bradgessler 3y ago
  Yeah it seems like the batter is more of an uninterruptible power supply. It has a USB-C power input on it to plug into the wall.
dwaite 3y ago
It doesn't have _any_ internal battery. That USB cord has a short or comes unplugged, you are suddenly wearing a blindfold.
- krasin 3y ago
  The same, especially the short concern, applies to the proprietary cable, no? In general, it seems that the lack of a built-in energy storage (even if short-term, for 2-3 minutes) is an issue; for instance, it makes hot swapping of batteries very hard.
  - cpuguy83 3y ago
    The battery pack can be charged with usb-c. I suspect the battery pack is not just a battery pack.
- al_borland 3y ago
  Having a device suddenly turn off can be an issue even with an internal battery. This should be something anyone using Vision Pro keeps in mind. And by that I mean don’t go driving in it, or model Casey Neistat and wear it while riding an electric skateboard in the middle of NYC streets. In normal situations, sitting in your home or on a plane, having it go black isn’t a big deal. Just take it off. This is where AR will really shine, if/when we ever see true AR with similar image quality. Then if it turns off, it comes glasses and not a blindfold.
- matt-attack 3y ago
  Yep. Same for the other end of the cable. I’ve heard folks ask why it doesn’t use a mag connector like on the Apple Watch since it appears to mimic the shape.
- cal85 3y ago
  Are you sure about this? I heard someone answering that it stays on for a while so you can switch between battery and mains power. Not sure though.
  - 3y ago
ehsankia 3y ago
Now if only it actually supported multiple users where the automatic IPD adjustment would come in useful. Instead, every non-main user is a guest that has to go through he setup flow from scratch on every use...
- joemi 3y ago
  At least that's likely just a software thing, so it could theoretically be fixed via a software update.
- bredren 3y ago
  It notices and handles IPD adjustments immediately when the device moves between users. Even in the current rev.
matt-attack 3y ago
People will presumable share these devices with various people in their family. I could see the auto adjustment being pretty critical.
CooCooCaCha 3y ago
Really? IPD is the only feature you appreciate? None of the other cutting edge tech is worthy of your appreciation?
- AnarchismIsCool 3y ago
  It doesn't actually bring anything new to the table. The manufacturing is very advanced but that nets you....literally nothing. Yes it has the computer in the face part but it still has an umbilical so practically speaking it's no different than a normal headset and a laptop.
  - CooCooCaCha 3y ago
    And a Lamborghini is the same as a Toyota because they both have engines. You can point to pretty much every part of the Vision Pro and see something taken to the next level compared to existing headsets.
    - omni 3y ago
      Blatantly false. The FOV, which is one of the most critical performance characteristics of a headset, is inferior to the Quest 3. I'd _expect_ every single thing to be better if I'm paying 7x, but it just isn't.
      - CooCooCaCha 3y ago
        This comment screams "I just want to be right about something". Yeah the fov and the weight leave something to be desired so my comment isn't 100% accurate, sue me. But you're purposefully ignoring the boatload of other things that ARE better.
        omni 3y ago
        I'm not ignoring anything, but if my Lamborghini got out-accelerated by a Toyota I'd be upset about that, too. There's all sorts of other things to be upset about, again compared to the Quest 3. External battery pack and weight issues. No PCVR support, so you can't use the established ecosystem of games. No controllers at all, even for what could be an emerging ecosystem of Apple games. No headphone jack (I can't believe we're still doing this). The EyeSight thing doesn't work and it seems like all the marketing for it was simulated images. The parts that are better end up not mattering. Why do I care if the resolution is better if what I want to do with it is play PCVR? Why do I care if it's great for watching movies if I'm not a loner who lives by myself? Why would I ever want to be represented by some nightmarish Persona thing? Again, there are just way more compromises here than is justifiable for something that's literally 7x (at minimum!) the price of the competition. I want the iPod of VR/AR, this ain't it.

by serf 3y ago

yellow_postit 3y ago

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bastawhiz 3y ago

> I think it's pretty crummy to throw in a proprietary battery plug when there isn't some power profile requirement to do so I'm not one to defend Apple, but what else would they use? USB? Folks would just use whatever cord they have lying around, and it probably wouldn't work. USB, for how incredibly amazing it is, has so many incompatible cables that aren't labeled in any way that it's almost a certainty that folks would get it wrong. And with the number of noncompliant cables and chargers out there, you'd already be reading about people frying their brand new Vision Pro devices by plugging them into the wrong thing. At the very least, if you use a knock off Vision Pro battery cable and it fries your device, it's because the cable is manufactured in a grossly negligent way and not because the wrong combination of items were innocently chosen.

riffraff 3y ago
I agree that it made sense from a pragmatic point of view, but airpods and ipads come with USB-C and I've never heard a story of anyone frying them with a random cable. I mean, surely it happens but it seems a pretty low frequency event. I feel the intersection of the set of people buying really expensive apple stuff, those who get really cheap USB-C cables, and also not being aware of the issue, is somewhat small.
- CooCooCaCha 3y ago
  I mean, there could be many reasons. Perhaps USB-C was too easy to knock out of the socket. Perhaps they had special power delivery requirements. The headset has no internal battery, whereas other apple devices do have internal batteries which means they can still work if the power is inconsistent or low.
makeitdouble 3y ago
The macbook pro comes with a USB cable and charger, so that's something Apple is OK to do on high power devices.
- bastawhiz 3y ago
  The cable doesn't sit between the MacBook and its battery

tgsovlerkhgsel 3y ago

Not surprised about the proprietary battery plug. This isn't a charger, it's the devices only power supply. If the power sags or glitches, you get a crash, and the other side has to deal with a lot of variation in the current pulled. Letting people use random power banks wouldn't work well, and constraining yourself to USB-C for what is essentially the connection between your device's battery and the device itself sounds painful.

bradgessler 3y ago
Yeah it seems like the batter is more of an uninterruptible power supply. It has a USB-C power input on it to plug into the wall.

dwaite 3y ago

It doesn't have _any_ internal battery. That USB cord has a short or comes unplugged, you are suddenly wearing a blindfold.

krasin 3y ago
The same, especially the short concern, applies to the proprietary cable, no? In general, it seems that the lack of a built-in energy storage (even if short-term, for 2-3 minutes) is an issue; for instance, it makes hot swapping of batteries very hard.
- cpuguy83 3y ago
  The battery pack can be charged with usb-c. I suspect the battery pack is not just a battery pack.
al_borland 3y ago
Having a device suddenly turn off can be an issue even with an internal battery. This should be something anyone using Vision Pro keeps in mind. And by that I mean don’t go driving in it, or model Casey Neistat and wear it while riding an electric skateboard in the middle of NYC streets. In normal situations, sitting in your home or on a plane, having it go black isn’t a big deal. Just take it off. This is where AR will really shine, if/when we ever see true AR with similar image quality. Then if it turns off, it comes glasses and not a blindfold.
matt-attack 3y ago
Yep. Same for the other end of the cable. I’ve heard folks ask why it doesn’t use a mag connector like on the Apple Watch since it appears to mimic the shape.
cal85 3y ago
Are you sure about this? I heard someone answering that it stays on for a while so you can switch between battery and mains power. Not sure though.
- 3y ago

ehsankia 3y ago

Now if only it actually supported multiple users where the automatic IPD adjustment would come in useful. Instead, every non-main user is a guest that has to go through he setup flow from scratch on every use...

joemi 3y ago
At least that's likely just a software thing, so it could theoretically be fixed via a software update.
bredren 3y ago
It notices and handles IPD adjustments immediately when the device moves between users. Even in the current rev.

matt-attack 3y ago

People will presumable share these devices with various people in their family. I could see the auto adjustment being pretty critical.

CooCooCaCha 3y ago

Really? IPD is the only feature you appreciate? None of the other cutting edge tech is worthy of your appreciation?

AnarchismIsCool 3y ago
It doesn't actually bring anything new to the table. The manufacturing is very advanced but that nets you....literally nothing. Yes it has the computer in the face part but it still has an umbilical so practically speaking it's no different than a normal headset and a laptop.
- CooCooCaCha 3y ago
  And a Lamborghini is the same as a Toyota because they both have engines. You can point to pretty much every part of the Vision Pro and see something taken to the next level compared to existing headsets.
  - omni 3y ago
    Blatantly false. The FOV, which is one of the most critical performance characteristics of a headset, is inferior to the Quest 3. I'd _expect_ every single thing to be better if I'm paying 7x, but it just isn't.
    - CooCooCaCha 3y ago
      This comment screams "I just want to be right about something". Yeah the fov and the weight leave something to be desired so my comment isn't 100% accurate, sue me. But you're purposefully ignoring the boatload of other things that ARE better.
      - omni 3y ago
        I'm not ignoring anything, but if my Lamborghini got out-accelerated by a Toyota I'd be upset about that, too. There's all sorts of other things to be upset about, again compared to the Quest 3. External battery pack and weight issues. No PCVR support, so you can't use the established ecosystem of games. No controllers at all, even for what could be an emerging ecosystem of Apple games. No headphone jack (I can't believe we're still doing this). The EyeSight thing doesn't work and it seems like all the marketing for it was simulated images. The parts that are better end up not mattering. Why do I care if the resolution is better if what I want to do with it is play PCVR? Why do I care if it's great for watching movies if I'm not a loner who lives by myself? Why would I ever want to be represented by some nightmarish Persona thing? Again, there are just way more compromises here than is justifiable for something that's literally 7x (at minimum!) the price of the competition. I want the iPod of VR/AR, this ain't it.