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The front display is underwhelming, but it also lets you have a conversation with someone else in the room. When you're wearing it, it's easy to forget it's the

The front display is underwhelming, but it also lets you have a conversation with someone else in the room. When you're wearing it, it's easy to forget it's there while talking with people. That was something that was hard to do with previous headsets, such as Valve's Index. I honestly think that the front display is going to become something that every other vendor replicates in some way.

blackoil 3y ago
If you are having serious conversation where expression matters, just take it off or all person may wear it in the Metaverse. In current form it is gimmicky.
- karlgkk 3y ago
  I would say that for quick, <10 minute conversations, it's fine. It's one of those things that doesn't seem impactful until you interact with it for the first time. I used to think the same way.
  - Turskarama 3y ago
    <10 minutes? If I think the conversation is going to take more than 30 seconds I am taking that thing off. Care to imagine how much extra cost this gimmick adds to the device? A high definition second screen just so you can make "eye contact" with someone while simultaneously not paying full attention to them anyway.
jsheard 3y ago
It'll depend on how people actually end up using the Vision Pro in the real world I suppose - being able to easily talk to other people isn't a high value feature if the average AVP owner ends up treating it like a VR headset you use alone, rather than wearing it around other people or even in public like Apple envisioned.
- karlgkk 3y ago
  They haven't advertised people using it "in public". It's home, office, etc. In those contexts, it's more appropriate.
  - netsharc 3y ago
    I've seen Instagram reels of people wearing these things while crossing the street, sitting on the subway, and, worst of all, while driving a CyberTruck...
al_borland 3y ago
I get the point of it, but I’ve had countless conversations with people wearing sunglasses, or ski goggles, where I couldn’t see their eyes and it wasn’t a major problem. If I’m having a serious conversation with someone, I’d expect them to take the headset off, just like I’d expect them to put their phone down, or look away from their laptop. With all the negative press they’ve gotten for it, I assume they will put a significant amount of energy into improving the quality of the eye sight for version 2.
- imglorp 3y ago
  Back when this all started, there was a word for people who insist on interacting with others while wearing tech on their face: glasshole. The message it sends is, "You're not worth me putting my screen down for a minute to have a conversation."
  - makeitdouble 3y ago
    That was also a time when it was rude generally rude to have earbuds in when interacting with people, meetings needed to be done face to face, and having anything covering you face was just viscerally rejected by a chunk of the population. The consensus has changed a lot in the meantime, or at least you'll find your group that doesn't care about any of that.
    - shafyy 3y ago
      I still think it's rude to not remove your earbuds when talking to people. I even feel that way when people don't remove their AirPods when they quickly interact with the person working at the check-out counter in the grocery store. It's kind of degrading.
      - makeitdouble 3y ago
        I kinda saw the point a decade or two ago. As of today we have transparency mode where the person might actually hear you better with the buds on, then bone conduction where putting or removing them makes no sense, then ear cuff types etc. It's just so much more complex that having someone remove whatever they're wearing feels like an anachronism. It can still be a nice gesture, but as it becomes devoid of meaning it's also to me signaling that we don't trust the other person to understand they have our attention (through eye contact, actual conversation etc) if we don't overdo it.
cyanydeez 3y ago
narcissism: it's easy for the wearer to forget. perfect Apple products for the perfect individuals narcissism.

blackoil 3y ago

If you are having serious conversation where expression matters, just take it off or all person may wear it in the Metaverse. In current form it is gimmicky.

karlgkk 3y ago
I would say that for quick, <10 minute conversations, it's fine. It's one of those things that doesn't seem impactful until you interact with it for the first time. I used to think the same way.
- Turskarama 3y ago
  <10 minutes? If I think the conversation is going to take more than 30 seconds I am taking that thing off. Care to imagine how much extra cost this gimmick adds to the device? A high definition second screen just so you can make "eye contact" with someone while simultaneously not paying full attention to them anyway.

jsheard 3y ago

It'll depend on how people actually end up using the Vision Pro in the real world I suppose - being able to easily talk to other people isn't a high value feature if the average AVP owner ends up treating it like a VR headset you use alone, rather than wearing it around other people or even in public like Apple envisioned.

karlgkk 3y ago
They haven't advertised people using it "in public". It's home, office, etc. In those contexts, it's more appropriate.
- netsharc 3y ago
  I've seen Instagram reels of people wearing these things while crossing the street, sitting on the subway, and, worst of all, while driving a CyberTruck...

al_borland 3y ago

I get the point of it, but I’ve had countless conversations with people wearing sunglasses, or ski goggles, where I couldn’t see their eyes and it wasn’t a major problem. If I’m having a serious conversation with someone, I’d expect them to take the headset off, just like I’d expect them to put their phone down, or look away from their laptop. With all the negative press they’ve gotten for it, I assume they will put a significant amount of energy into improving the quality of the eye sight for version 2.

imglorp 3y ago
Back when this all started, there was a word for people who insist on interacting with others while wearing tech on their face: glasshole. The message it sends is, "You're not worth me putting my screen down for a minute to have a conversation."
- makeitdouble 3y ago
  That was also a time when it was rude generally rude to have earbuds in when interacting with people, meetings needed to be done face to face, and having anything covering you face was just viscerally rejected by a chunk of the population. The consensus has changed a lot in the meantime, or at least you'll find your group that doesn't care about any of that.
  - shafyy 3y ago
    I still think it's rude to not remove your earbuds when talking to people. I even feel that way when people don't remove their AirPods when they quickly interact with the person working at the check-out counter in the grocery store. It's kind of degrading.
    - makeitdouble 3y ago
      I kinda saw the point a decade or two ago. As of today we have transparency mode where the person might actually hear you better with the buds on, then bone conduction where putting or removing them makes no sense, then ear cuff types etc. It's just so much more complex that having someone remove whatever they're wearing feels like an anachronism. It can still be a nice gesture, but as it becomes devoid of meaning it's also to me signaling that we don't trust the other person to understand they have our attention (through eye contact, actual conversation etc) if we don't overdo it.

cyanydeez 3y ago

narcissism: it's easy for the wearer to forget. perfect Apple products for the perfect individuals narcissism.