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Too bad they spent time to Microsoft's proprietary protocol and not to suppoert open protocols better. Native Sieve editor would be nice. Or really good featu

Too bad they spent time to Microsoft's proprietary protocol and not to suppoert open protocols better. Native Sieve editor would be nice. Or really good feature: store per-folder settings (like reply-to, sorting direction, view mode, etc) on IMAP server. There is per-folder key-value storage on IMAP server, and it is supported at least by dovecot server. Now I need to configure all my 100+ folders with 5 identities and different column settings on each new Thunderbird installation. It is SUXXXX. If I need Exchange protocol I will use Outlook. Thank you.

blacklion 3y ago
Or at least decent text editor, which allows to have one physical line per paragraph in plain-text messages but wrap these long lines visually to size of the editor window. As simple as that. Or good quoting engine. Does somebody remember FIDO's editor GoldEd? It made perfect multi-level quotes int most complex situations without problem, re-wrap and re-format lines to fit it in 80 columns (without breaking quotes in process!), it was real pleasure to read long threads because you always know who wrote what. And if you see broken quotes in echoarea you know, it is from usenet user, received via gateway with their shitty news clients. Thunderbird is still shitty in this regard, 30 years later.
mardifoufs 3y ago
What does it have with it being proprietary? They are doing it because tons and tons of people who would actually use a full email client also use Exchange, for reasons that are usually beyond the users control. You'd rather have them support something that much less people use or need for... reasons? Remember, this is an email client. Supporting or not a certain protocol won't make email servers support said protocol, not in any meaningful way at least. It would just make the email client (again, more of a niche nowadays) more irrelevant.
- blacklion 3y ago
  Exchange is not email server. It is groupware server. Thunderbird will not support all features of Exchange, ever, as it requires much more than e-mail (and even calendar) support. And, yes, Exchange supports IMAP for people who want to use it as bad and feature-limited email server ;-) I want Thunderbird to be best e-mail client, not mediocre groupware client.
  - mardifoufs 3y ago
    But that's the thing though, does it lack support for any other open source groupware/email protocol? I see your point if that is the case

blacklion 3y ago

Or at least decent text editor, which allows to have one physical line per paragraph in plain-text messages but wrap these long lines visually to size of the editor window. As simple as that. Or good quoting engine. Does somebody remember FIDO's editor GoldEd? It made perfect multi-level quotes int most complex situations without problem, re-wrap and re-format lines to fit it in 80 columns (without breaking quotes in process!), it was real pleasure to read long threads because you always know who wrote what. And if you see broken quotes in echoarea you know, it is from usenet user, received via gateway with their shitty news clients. Thunderbird is still shitty in this regard, 30 years later.

mardifoufs 3y ago

What does it have with it being proprietary? They are doing it because tons and tons of people who would actually use a full email client also use Exchange, for reasons that are usually beyond the users control. You'd rather have them support something that much less people use or need for... reasons? Remember, this is an email client. Supporting or not a certain protocol won't make email servers support said protocol, not in any meaningful way at least. It would just make the email client (again, more of a niche nowadays) more irrelevant.

blacklion 3y ago
Exchange is not email server. It is groupware server. Thunderbird will not support all features of Exchange, ever, as it requires much more than e-mail (and even calendar) support. And, yes, Exchange supports IMAP for people who want to use it as bad and feature-limited email server ;-) I want Thunderbird to be best e-mail client, not mediocre groupware client.
- mardifoufs 3y ago
  But that's the thing though, does it lack support for any other open source groupware/email protocol? I see your point if that is the case