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What is the latest story of native UI's with .NET. There is always some half baked stuff going on and abandoned all the time.

by npalli 3y ago

jjice 3y ago
The latest is MAUI, which seems to take a Dart/Flutter like approach.
- npalli 3y ago
  As usual, the true test of whether something will stick is what apps/tools is Microsoft building with MAUI? If nothing, then good chance it is a yet another framework thrown at developers and abandoned five years later.
  - DANmode 3y ago
    Does this take anything away from the rest of .NET? Serious question.
    - tracker1 3y ago
      Not expressly, I just wouldn't invest in it, since it will likely fall into a dead end, like Silverlight.
      - DANmode 3y ago
        I'm not sure you answered my question. Just don't use MAUI, in favor of anything else?
- JamesSwift 3y ago
  Why do you think it is similar to Dart/Flutter? MAUI is basically a dolled-up Xamarin, but catered to .net 6+ (which has the ios/android toolchains as first party TFMs so it makes it much nicer to organize projects in some ways). It also comes with a slew of new bugs : )
- mpawelski 3y ago
  It's worth to note that MAUI is not cross-platform (Microsoft say it is, but for me excluding Linux desktop and calling it cross-pratform is a lie/marketing bullshit)
  - bigstrat2003 3y ago
    That's not true. They support Android, iOS, and MacOS. I agree it's disappointing that they don't support Linux, but it is by definition cross-platform.
- iconhacker 3y ago
  MAUI sucks big on desktop UI. Try Avalonia and it is 100 miles ahead of the game!
  - scruple 3y ago
    I see that Avalonia has a XAML previewer in VSCode. That's a big selling point for me so I'll give this a try. Thanks for mentioning it!
- mardifoufs 3y ago
  With all its quirks, flutter is still miles ahead of MAUI (just look at actual usage of maui, it's close to 0). And imo they both take a pretty different approach anyways.
- ygra 3y ago
  MAUI uses native controls, wrapped in its own system. Considering that Flutter draws everything itself I'd say that's a pretty substantial difference. It also manifests in how close to native your app can look/feel or how easy it is to integrate features of the respective native controls. Avalonia is perhaps closer to Flutter.
ClimaxGravely 3y ago
I haven't used it myself but I've had some colleagues recommend avalonia to me. They seem to really like it over MAUI. Honestly I still love WPF (perhaps it's Stockholm syndrome). Obviously WPF only runs on windows desktop though.
- Nelkins 3y ago
  Check out Avalonia’s XPF. Allows WPF to run on macOS and Linux with almost no changes in most cases. https://avaloniaui.net/XPF https://avaloniaui.net/XPF
  - ClimaxGravely 3y ago
    Thank you! I had no idea something like this existed!
  - tracker1 3y ago
    Seconded.. IIRC, I Believe even since cross platform tools from Microsoft (Git Credential Manager) use it.
LeFantome 3y ago
Same. Avalonia and Uno are the go to options for cross-platform UI on .NET these days.

What is the latest story of native UI's with .NET. There is always some half baked stuff going on and abandoned all the time.

by npalli 3y ago

What is the latest story of native UI's with .NET. There is always some half baked stuff going on and abandoned all the time.

jjice 3y ago

The latest is MAUI, which seems to take a Dart/Flutter like approach.

npalli 3y ago
As usual, the true test of whether something will stick is what apps/tools is Microsoft building with MAUI? If nothing, then good chance it is a yet another framework thrown at developers and abandoned five years later.
- DANmode 3y ago
  Does this take anything away from the rest of .NET? Serious question.
  - tracker1 3y ago
    Not expressly, I just wouldn't invest in it, since it will likely fall into a dead end, like Silverlight.
    - DANmode 3y ago
      I'm not sure you answered my question. Just don't use MAUI, in favor of anything else?
JamesSwift 3y ago
Why do you think it is similar to Dart/Flutter? MAUI is basically a dolled-up Xamarin, but catered to .net 6+ (which has the ios/android toolchains as first party TFMs so it makes it much nicer to organize projects in some ways). It also comes with a slew of new bugs : )
mpawelski 3y ago
It's worth to note that MAUI is not cross-platform (Microsoft say it is, but for me excluding Linux desktop and calling it cross-pratform is a lie/marketing bullshit)
- bigstrat2003 3y ago
  That's not true. They support Android, iOS, and MacOS. I agree it's disappointing that they don't support Linux, but it is by definition cross-platform.
iconhacker 3y ago
MAUI sucks big on desktop UI. Try Avalonia and it is 100 miles ahead of the game!
- scruple 3y ago
  I see that Avalonia has a XAML previewer in VSCode. That's a big selling point for me so I'll give this a try. Thanks for mentioning it!
mardifoufs 3y ago
With all its quirks, flutter is still miles ahead of MAUI (just look at actual usage of maui, it's close to 0). And imo they both take a pretty different approach anyways.
ygra 3y ago
MAUI uses native controls, wrapped in its own system. Considering that Flutter draws everything itself I'd say that's a pretty substantial difference. It also manifests in how close to native your app can look/feel or how easy it is to integrate features of the respective native controls. Avalonia is perhaps closer to Flutter.

ClimaxGravely 3y ago

I haven't used it myself but I've had some colleagues recommend avalonia to me. They seem to really like it over MAUI. Honestly I still love WPF (perhaps it's Stockholm syndrome). Obviously WPF only runs on windows desktop though.

Nelkins 3y ago
Check out Avalonia’s XPF. Allows WPF to run on macOS and Linux with almost no changes in most cases. https://avaloniaui.net/XPF https://avaloniaui.net/XPF
- ClimaxGravely 3y ago
  Thank you! I had no idea something like this existed!
- tracker1 3y ago
  Seconded.. IIRC, I Believe even since cross platform tools from Microsoft (Git Credential Manager) use it.

LeFantome 3y ago

Same. Avalonia and Uno are the go to options for cross-platform UI on .NET these days.