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How do we pay for the enormous amount of common public goods, such as roads, a legal system, safety, security, education, health, NASA, etc etc, if we don't joi

How do we pay for the enormous amount of common public goods, such as roads, a legal system, safety, security, education, health, NASA, etc etc, if we don't jointly pay for them? And if we jointly pay for them, don't each of us have a share to pay? (I think we both are in good faith. No need to imply I'm a thief or oppressor.)

smsm42 3y ago
That's a separate question. The fact that you want to do something doesn't make you automatically the owner of somebody's else money. You can't just say "I want to do X therefor it's fair that Elon Musk will pay for it, and if he doesn't, he is evil and must be jailed". There's nothing "fair" in this. It's not what "fair" means or ever meant. Especially given that Elon Musk is already paying for so much - and still you think it's "not fair" he doesn't pay more, with the sole foundation for this being that you want more. > And if we jointly pay for them, don't each of us have a share to pay? Yes, but despite them paying orders of magnitude more than you do, you still complain they don't pay their "fair share", the definition of "fair" being based solely on the fact that you want them to pay more. I don't see any justification for claiming this has anything to do with "fair".
- wolverine876 3y ago
  > The fact that you want to do something doesn't make you automatically the owner of somebody's else money. That's exactly what I was thinking. I am the owner of your money, in fact. Hand it over. Post your BTC here (nobody else touch it, it's mine). > "I want to do X therefor it's fair that Elon Musk will pay for it, and if he doesn't, he is evil and must be jailed" We are equal under the law and we all should pay for it, nobody treated differently. > the definition of "fair" being based solely on the fact that you want them to pay more. When did I tell you what my basis was? The image of Musk whining 'it's not fair' like a 6 year old is pretty incredible, but in fairness to Musk, someone else is doing it. But for reasons unknown - why are you advocating for this complete stranger?
  - smsm42 3y ago
    I just point out your pretense at "fairness" is nothing but deception, and you have to resort to clowning and ad-hominem attacks as a response, which indeed proves you don't have any proper argument beyond "me want!". If is not me and not Musk who cries childishly "not fair!" when things are not as you like, as you can easily witness, and others are reluctant to finance your wants. Your surprise that somebody can object to untruth where it's not personally beneficial to him tells yet more about your approach to fairness.

smsm42 3y ago

That's a separate question. The fact that you want to do something doesn't make you automatically the owner of somebody's else money. You can't just say "I want to do X therefor it's fair that Elon Musk will pay for it, and if he doesn't, he is evil and must be jailed". There's nothing "fair" in this. It's not what "fair" means or ever meant. Especially given that Elon Musk is already paying for so much - and still you think it's "not fair" he doesn't pay more, with the sole foundation for this being that you want more. > And if we jointly pay for them, don't each of us have a share to pay? Yes, but despite them paying orders of magnitude more than you do, you still complain they don't pay their "fair share", the definition of "fair" being based solely on the fact that you want them to pay more. I don't see any justification for claiming this has anything to do with "fair".

wolverine876 3y ago
> The fact that you want to do something doesn't make you automatically the owner of somebody's else money. That's exactly what I was thinking. I am the owner of your money, in fact. Hand it over. Post your BTC here (nobody else touch it, it's mine). > "I want to do X therefor it's fair that Elon Musk will pay for it, and if he doesn't, he is evil and must be jailed" We are equal under the law and we all should pay for it, nobody treated differently. > the definition of "fair" being based solely on the fact that you want them to pay more. When did I tell you what my basis was? The image of Musk whining 'it's not fair' like a 6 year old is pretty incredible, but in fairness to Musk, someone else is doing it. But for reasons unknown - why are you advocating for this complete stranger?
- smsm42 3y ago
  I just point out your pretense at "fairness" is nothing but deception, and you have to resort to clowning and ad-hominem attacks as a response, which indeed proves you don't have any proper argument beyond "me want!". If is not me and not Musk who cries childishly "not fair!" when things are not as you like, as you can easily witness, and others are reluctant to finance your wants. Your surprise that somebody can object to untruth where it's not personally beneficial to him tells yet more about your approach to fairness.