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It begunstiget because you now have countries on both sides of the economic scale pushing to ban them. Norway being on the other side of the spectrum. EVs coul

by audunw 3y ago

It begunstiget because you now have countries on both sides of the economic scale pushing to ban them. Norway being on the other side of the spectrum. EVs could be hugely beneficial to developing countries as it’s a path to energy independence, and with cheap LiFePo batteries there’s a path to make EVs much cheaper than ICE could ever be. So EVs start to eat at the ICE market from both sides of the spectrum. It’s like cell phones vs land lines all over again. Many poor countries never even built land lines and leapfrogged straight to cell phones even though that was the more expensive technology to start with.

PedroBatista 3y ago
> EVs could be hugely beneficial to developing countries as it’s a path to energy independence, and with cheap LiFePo batteries there’s a path to make EVs much cheaper than ICE could ever be. Everything tends to be "coulda shoulda woulda" when it comes to EVs.. If that's the case, then they wouldn't even need to ban anything, the benefits and the market would be so obvious, poor people obviously would buy EVs. To be clear, I kinda agree with your statement, but then don't wasted the little resources you have chasing a big dream constructed by other people who you don't owe anything. Wait it out.
- simfree 3y ago
  Small electric vehicles are winning customers from gas, just look at the rise of small 2 and 4 wheeled electric vehicles in India: https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/22/business/india-electric-vehicles-push-challenges-intl-hnk/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/22/business/india-electric-vehic... https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/22/business/india-electric-vehicles-push-challenges-intl-hnk/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/22/business/india-electric-vehic...
csmpltn 3y ago
> "Norway being on the other side of the spectrum." I suggest you follow the public debate around EVs in Norway, especially with regards to their performance this winter. The public transportation system (which has largely transitioned to EV-only fleets) has collapsed completely and come under severe pressure to roll back to fossilized vehicles. There's a growing pressure to reverse the push for using EVs everywhere, since the technology just doesn't seem to hold up to the weather conditions. Electric busses, taxis, trains and ferries have all underperformed, broke down, and brought Norway's largest cities to a halt on plenty of occasions this winter. Outside of the large metropolitans, in the rural parts of the country - nobody uses EVs because they're completely impractical. People just can't risk running out of battery when it's -25 Celsius outside and the nearest charging station is an hour's drive away. EVs are heavier to drive up icy and snowy roads, and often get stuck in such conditions. The busses in Oslo are driving without air conditioning, even when it's freezing outside, to preserve battery power. People in the large metropolitans are now regularly being asked by the authorities to just stay at home and not go to work due to public transportation systems collapsing completely under the slightest snowfall or rainfall. There's another debate in Norway about the severe lack of EV charging infrastructure. Coupled with the doubling of electricity prices this past year and the economic downturn - the public discourse has turned on the rapid adoption of EVs. > "Many poor countries never even built land lines and leapfrogged straight to cell phones even though that was the more expensive technology to start with." Cellular technology requires much less infrastructure to set-up and maintain (as opposed to land-lines). EVs are the complete opposite. They require charging infrastructure everywhere. You need to connect the entire country to a reliable electric grid, and spread charging stations everywhere. It's the complete opposite analogy to the deprecation of analog telephony... As opposed to electricity - fuel can be easily transported and stored around the country in numerous ways... you can transport fuel with donkeys, trucks, trains, cars, jugs, bottles...
- justsomehnguy 3y ago
  > trains Huh? Do you mean public transport trains like trams? Because trains do not have batteries because they have an overhead line or a 3rd rail to deliver the current.
cscurmudgeon 3y ago
Norway should first wind up its petroleum industry (largest sector).

by audunw 3y ago

PedroBatista 3y ago

> EVs could be hugely beneficial to developing countries as it’s a path to energy independence, and with cheap LiFePo batteries there’s a path to make EVs much cheaper than ICE could ever be. Everything tends to be "coulda shoulda woulda" when it comes to EVs.. If that's the case, then they wouldn't even need to ban anything, the benefits and the market would be so obvious, poor people obviously would buy EVs. To be clear, I kinda agree with your statement, but then don't wasted the little resources you have chasing a big dream constructed by other people who you don't owe anything. Wait it out.

simfree 3y ago
Small electric vehicles are winning customers from gas, just look at the rise of small 2 and 4 wheeled electric vehicles in India: https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/22/business/india-electric-vehicles-push-challenges-intl-hnk/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/22/business/india-electric-vehic... https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/22/business/india-electric-vehicles-push-challenges-intl-hnk/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/22/business/india-electric-vehic...

csmpltn 3y ago

> "Norway being on the other side of the spectrum." I suggest you follow the public debate around EVs in Norway, especially with regards to their performance this winter. The public transportation system (which has largely transitioned to EV-only fleets) has collapsed completely and come under severe pressure to roll back to fossilized vehicles. There's a growing pressure to reverse the push for using EVs everywhere, since the technology just doesn't seem to hold up to the weather conditions. Electric busses, taxis, trains and ferries have all underperformed, broke down, and brought Norway's largest cities to a halt on plenty of occasions this winter. Outside of the large metropolitans, in the rural parts of the country - nobody uses EVs because they're completely impractical. People just can't risk running out of battery when it's -25 Celsius outside and the nearest charging station is an hour's drive away. EVs are heavier to drive up icy and snowy roads, and often get stuck in such conditions. The busses in Oslo are driving without air conditioning, even when it's freezing outside, to preserve battery power. People in the large metropolitans are now regularly being asked by the authorities to just stay at home and not go to work due to public transportation systems collapsing completely under the slightest snowfall or rainfall. There's another debate in Norway about the severe lack of EV charging infrastructure. Coupled with the doubling of electricity prices this past year and the economic downturn - the public discourse has turned on the rapid adoption of EVs. > "Many poor countries never even built land lines and leapfrogged straight to cell phones even though that was the more expensive technology to start with." Cellular technology requires much less infrastructure to set-up and maintain (as opposed to land-lines). EVs are the complete opposite. They require charging infrastructure everywhere. You need to connect the entire country to a reliable electric grid, and spread charging stations everywhere. It's the complete opposite analogy to the deprecation of analog telephony... As opposed to electricity - fuel can be easily transported and stored around the country in numerous ways... you can transport fuel with donkeys, trucks, trains, cars, jugs, bottles...

justsomehnguy 3y ago
> trains Huh? Do you mean public transport trains like trams? Because trains do not have batteries because they have an overhead line or a 3rd rail to deliver the current.

cscurmudgeon 3y ago

Norway should first wind up its petroleum industry (largest sector).