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Throw away account for obvious reasons. My wife and I run an onlyfans account, a manyvids account and a few other related accounts. I can tell you from extens

Throw away account for obvious reasons. My wife and I run an onlyfans account, a manyvids account and a few other related accounts. I can tell you from extensive networking with other onlyfans creators the number of them using chatters is pretty small, probably less than 1%. I personally have never interacted with someone that uses them. I also run a discord and telegram support server for creators so I interact with a lot, but certainly have not made any kind of scientific measure. Some higher tier models use agencies to run their stuff and that's usually where the chatters come into play. The general consensus is to avoid agencies or managers for obvious reasons. While I personally think it's kind of shady, I very much doubt it's illegal, but ianal. There is one fans platform that I know of that has integrated AI chat bots so shrug

breakfastduck 3y ago
> probably less than 1% Probably a significant overlap with the 1% of the highest earning creators though, I'd bet.
starkparker 3y ago
> Some higher tier models use agencies to run their stuff and that's usually where the chatters come into play. If this suit is real then I think that's who it's targeting anyway, since that's where the money is. The whole thing seems spurred on by the WaPo article from November about Bryce and Brian Adams, which opens with their $120,000 driveway and piles on the mentions of how much money they make from there. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/interactive/2023/onlyfans-bryce-adams-top-earners-creator-economy/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/interactive/2023/o... > but ianal Cheeky.
nickthegreek 3y ago
My anecdotal evidence is the opposite. One couple I know, the male does a lot of the botting for his partner. One of my aging model friends switched from having an OF to running other girls. 3rd model friend use to employ their friend to run around 60% of their operation but the quality suffered a bit and the lost a whale. I recently did a little demo for a friend on how ChatGPT could be used to create Twitter copy for various market types to push OF.
- gavinray 3y ago
  My experience similarly points to partners or paid acquaintances doing a lot of ghost-chatting.
almatabata 3y ago
> While I personally think it's kind of shady, I very much doubt it's illegal, but ianal. If they disclose that the fan interacts with a bot or a random employee its probably legal. Its the fact that they are not disclosing it that smells illegal to me. I do not know if its closer to false advertising or to fraud.
redsoundbanner 3y ago
>I can tell you from extensive networking with other onlyfans creators the number of them using chatters is pretty small, probably less than 1% 1. Why would anybody believe you? 2. Why would you believe other "creators"? 3. What is the percentage of customers and/or revenue generated by the 1% of "creators" using Chatters?
- HeatrayEnjoyer 3y ago
  For #1 and #2, what reason is there to doubt them? I have a couple of friends doing OF/SW and this isn't incongruent with their experience or what gets discussed in the community. I generally trust what people say in communities of people in the same domain sphere (i.e. discussion on HN about which software platforms are easier or harder to implement). Most people don't subcontract their job either, even if it could increase their overall income.
  - prepend 3y ago
    The same reason there is to doubt anything a stranger says on the internet. People have egos and sometimes tell lies to inflate their egos. I generally distrust anything people say in communities that supports some personal cause (ie positive comments about their employer, or negative comments about their enemy, etc)
    - HeatrayEnjoyer 3y ago
      That didn't really answer my question. Misanthropic attitudes are not useful or actionable.
jokethrowaway 3y ago
Plenty of average models use OF agencies. They're quite prevalent! Maybe your circle is more random people hacking it on their own and doing it as a side gig but they move little money and little followers. It's a simple model for agencies: 1. Get broke girls to produce photos and videos 2. Post some content to free account 3. Post some more content to paid account 4. Post some teasers on reddit nsfw subreddits 5. Get 3rd worlders as chatters to upsell some of the content 6. Ask girls for the occasional custom request
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breakfastduck 3y ago

> probably less than 1% Probably a significant overlap with the 1% of the highest earning creators though, I'd bet.

starkparker 3y ago

> Some higher tier models use agencies to run their stuff and that's usually where the chatters come into play. If this suit is real then I think that's who it's targeting anyway, since that's where the money is. The whole thing seems spurred on by the WaPo article from November about Bryce and Brian Adams, which opens with their $120,000 driveway and piles on the mentions of how much money they make from there. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/interactive/2023/onlyfans-bryce-adams-top-earners-creator-economy/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/interactive/2023/o... > but ianal Cheeky.

nickthegreek 3y ago

My anecdotal evidence is the opposite. One couple I know, the male does a lot of the botting for his partner. One of my aging model friends switched from having an OF to running other girls. 3rd model friend use to employ their friend to run around 60% of their operation but the quality suffered a bit and the lost a whale. I recently did a little demo for a friend on how ChatGPT could be used to create Twitter copy for various market types to push OF.

gavinray 3y ago
My experience similarly points to partners or paid acquaintances doing a lot of ghost-chatting.

almatabata 3y ago

> While I personally think it's kind of shady, I very much doubt it's illegal, but ianal. If they disclose that the fan interacts with a bot or a random employee its probably legal. Its the fact that they are not disclosing it that smells illegal to me. I do not know if its closer to false advertising or to fraud.

redsoundbanner 3y ago

>I can tell you from extensive networking with other onlyfans creators the number of them using chatters is pretty small, probably less than 1% 1. Why would anybody believe you? 2. Why would you believe other "creators"? 3. What is the percentage of customers and/or revenue generated by the 1% of "creators" using Chatters?

HeatrayEnjoyer 3y ago
For #1 and #2, what reason is there to doubt them? I have a couple of friends doing OF/SW and this isn't incongruent with their experience or what gets discussed in the community. I generally trust what people say in communities of people in the same domain sphere (i.e. discussion on HN about which software platforms are easier or harder to implement). Most people don't subcontract their job either, even if it could increase their overall income.
- prepend 3y ago
  The same reason there is to doubt anything a stranger says on the internet. People have egos and sometimes tell lies to inflate their egos. I generally distrust anything people say in communities that supports some personal cause (ie positive comments about their employer, or negative comments about their enemy, etc)
  - HeatrayEnjoyer 3y ago
    That didn't really answer my question. Misanthropic attitudes are not useful or actionable.

jokethrowaway 3y ago

Plenty of average models use OF agencies. They're quite prevalent! Maybe your circle is more random people hacking it on their own and doing it as a side gig but they move little money and little followers. It's a simple model for agencies: 1. Get broke girls to produce photos and videos 2. Post some content to free account 3. Post some more content to paid account 4. Post some teasers on reddit nsfw subreddits 5. Get 3rd worlders as chatters to upsell some of the content 6. Ask girls for the occasional custom request

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