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Some more info about the lawsuit: https://avn.com/business/articles/legal/attorney-wants-to-sue-onlyfans-creators-for-fraud-923118.html https://avn.com/business

by retrac 3y ago

Some more info about the lawsuit: https://avn.com/business/articles/legal/attorney-wants-to-sue-onlyfans-creators-for-fraud-923118.html https://avn.com/business/articles/legal/attorney-wants-to-su... (NSFW warning -- AVN is "Adult Video News") It's an interesting legal thought experiment. Possible analogy: if I claim that Celebrity Y is going to be at an event, and that people who buy a backstage pass will get to briefly meet Celebrity Y, but Celebrity Y is actually a Celebrity Y impersonator, is that dishonest dealing? False advertising?

trhway 3y ago
They do that with Putin. Works ok, even for the meetings with the heads of other states (except for China or Turkey - these guys get the real deal refusing to settle for the impersonator)
- pavel_lishin 3y ago
  [citation needed]
- jowea 3y ago
  I understand the logic of that claim for when he's supposedly visiting occupied areas, but why do this when meeting another head of state?
  - trhway 3y ago
    his very bad state of health (while for example the double which went to Mariupol and to Saudi Arabia was in very good shape). The real one would soon or is already dead ("Schrodinger's Putin" - I subscribe for 90% to the theory that he is already dead as for the few recent months I didn't see the real one). The Russian power elite seems to intend to keep the charade going as long as they can, so "socializing" the doubles even at the highest levels makes for the easier transition into the state when the real one isn't available anymore, yet the country would still be led by "Putin" and would even elect him with 85% vote in the coming March elections.
pavel_lishin 3y ago
An example of that analogy: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jun/24/doop-snogg-fake-snoop-dogg-fooled-nft-conference https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jun/24/doop-snog...
nemothekid 3y ago
I think your example is quite clearly fraud; and I think you would get a refund for that. I think the OnlyFans situation is different. I might be wrong - but I don't think you actually pay to message OF creators. I think messaging is free, and you can be upsold through messaging. In that case I think it's like I wrote a letter to the President or Justin Bieber and his assistant wrote me a reply that was signed by him. I think this is common enough already and the assistant has authorization to write on his behalf. If I later buy Justin Bieber's new single and then later found out Justin Bieber didn't personally read my letter, is that fraud? Furthermore I don't think you can buy time on these platform, only videos. I may be able to see the case where a model said give me $500 and you can call me on the phone, and then the person who picked up worked in a call center - you were directly scammed. But if someone you were messaging, then upsold you a video of the original creator on a dildo - I don't see how you can make the case that what you bought was misrepresented.
smsm42 3y ago
Fake celebrity artifacts (like signatures, items, etc.) is a known form of fraud, and AFAIK there were prosecutions on it. I.e. if I sell you a book that is claimed to be signed by celebrity, but in fact it's my own signature, I would definitely be committing fraud. I think impersonations may be argued the same, though proving material harm (beyond the cost of the ticket) would be very hard, and unless the ticket is really expensive or you make it a class action, prosecuting this will be financially infeasible. But if it's done on scale - then yes, as it looks there were successful class actions on lesser grounds than this (not a lawyer and all that stuff, of course, just thinking logically).
pyuser583 3y ago
Yeah. There a new online service that lets you get autographed content from celebrities. It shows the celebrities signing the item, and that video is an important part of the service. Celebrity economics are weird. But authenticity is an important part.

by retrac 3y ago

trhway 3y ago

They do that with Putin. Works ok, even for the meetings with the heads of other states (except for China or Turkey - these guys get the real deal refusing to settle for the impersonator)

pavel_lishin 3y ago
[citation needed]
jowea 3y ago
I understand the logic of that claim for when he's supposedly visiting occupied areas, but why do this when meeting another head of state?
- trhway 3y ago
  his very bad state of health (while for example the double which went to Mariupol and to Saudi Arabia was in very good shape). The real one would soon or is already dead ("Schrodinger's Putin" - I subscribe for 90% to the theory that he is already dead as for the few recent months I didn't see the real one). The Russian power elite seems to intend to keep the charade going as long as they can, so "socializing" the doubles even at the highest levels makes for the easier transition into the state when the real one isn't available anymore, yet the country would still be led by "Putin" and would even elect him with 85% vote in the coming March elections.

pavel_lishin 3y ago

An example of that analogy: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jun/24/doop-snogg-fake-snoop-dogg-fooled-nft-conference https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jun/24/doop-snog...

nemothekid 3y ago

I think your example is quite clearly fraud; and I think you would get a refund for that. I think the OnlyFans situation is different. I might be wrong - but I don't think you actually pay to message OF creators. I think messaging is free, and you can be upsold through messaging. In that case I think it's like I wrote a letter to the President or Justin Bieber and his assistant wrote me a reply that was signed by him. I think this is common enough already and the assistant has authorization to write on his behalf. If I later buy Justin Bieber's new single and then later found out Justin Bieber didn't personally read my letter, is that fraud? Furthermore I don't think you can buy time on these platform, only videos. I may be able to see the case where a model said give me $500 and you can call me on the phone, and then the person who picked up worked in a call center - you were directly scammed. But if someone you were messaging, then upsold you a video of the original creator on a dildo - I don't see how you can make the case that what you bought was misrepresented.

smsm42 3y ago

Fake celebrity artifacts (like signatures, items, etc.) is a known form of fraud, and AFAIK there were prosecutions on it. I.e. if I sell you a book that is claimed to be signed by celebrity, but in fact it's my own signature, I would definitely be committing fraud. I think impersonations may be argued the same, though proving material harm (beyond the cost of the ticket) would be very hard, and unless the ticket is really expensive or you make it a class action, prosecuting this will be financially infeasible. But if it's done on scale - then yes, as it looks there were successful class actions on lesser grounds than this (not a lawyer and all that stuff, of course, just thinking logically).

pyuser583 3y ago

Yeah. There a new online service that lets you get autographed content from celebrities. It shows the celebrities signing the item, and that video is an important part of the service. Celebrity economics are weird. But authenticity is an important part.