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Because decorum requires too many rules and society has trained us to be empathetic to the other persons feelings and perspectives. People mostly untouched by t

Because decorum requires too many rules and society has trained us to be empathetic to the other persons feelings and perspectives. People mostly untouched by the modern world find socializing very easy because they say the first thing that comes to mind.

jncfhnb 3y ago
Citation needed
- bluishgreen 3y ago
  I don't have citation, but I concur with the GP, I grew up in the east, and it is far easier to socialize and also form deep friendships because everything is said out in the open and not hidden behind layers of decorum. Here is an example and a demonstration. As an example people are allowed to comment on someone being too heavy or too thin with them present. Here is the demonstration: Now as soon as I gave an example I have made this a controversial topic for the western audience. There is no way to look past the controversy and talk about other things or form bonds based on speech. Only an infinite loop.
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  - jncfhnb 3y ago
    You have cited one example of a hang up in the west that is not common in the east. That is not evidence that the east lacks hang ups. Example: being openly gay. Demonstration: so taboo it’s illegal in some countries
    - huytersd 3y ago
      There’s plenty of bigotry like that but that’s part of being able to say what you like. I guess the idea is that a small minority has a pretty bad experience in life but the overwhelming majority feel content and speak their mind.
      - jncfhnb 3y ago
        Hilarious take imo
        huytersd 3y ago
        I don’t think it’s particularly funny but it is true.
  - generic92034 3y ago
    Years of watching anime, though, has led me to believe a certain eastern culture is basically celebrating awkwardness. ;)
- wonderfulcloud 3y ago
  There is actually some truth in the idea that developed countries suffer from more social awkwardness than developing countries. If you compare the north east coast to southern states, richer northern European countries to the poorer southern European countries, or urban areas to rural areas. A similar thing also plays out in East Asia where more developed countries tend to has more complaints about social awkwardness than less developed countries.
- randomdata 3y ago
  Great example! Has this anti-social behaviour become more prevalent because of social media, though? I suspect it has, although perhaps supplanting some other type of 'decorum' witnessed in pre-social media times.
  - jncfhnb 3y ago
    The irony of this passive aggressive hyper enthusiastic sarcasm is palpable. The basic fact is that asynchrony forum posts request different social rules than live face to face conversation.
    - randomdata 3y ago
      Perhaps, but "citation needed" is always just an attempt to shut down those who don't fit the 'decorum'. It adds nothing to the conversation and is not good faith forum participation. There is no quote taken that could be cited, and there never is. The request is impossible to fulfill. Of course, that's the point. This anti-social "unless your words come from someone I respect, I don't want to talk to you" behaviour has most definitely shown to extend out into the real world. That became quite apparent during the COVID ordeal. But it is less clear if that was always the case, or if social media has made it more prevalent.
      - jncfhnb 3y ago
        It has nothing to do with decorum. It is simply a way to point out that someone’s assertion is unwarranted by presented evidence (often none) and aggressive. It’s far better faith to ask for some evidence than to rebuttal with “No, you’re wrong”, which is equally dumb. If you can’t support a claim, you shouldn’t assert it as a fact.
        randomdata 3y ago
        > It is simply a way to point out that someone’s assertion is unwarranted by presented evidence (often none) and aggressive. There was nothing unwarranted or aggressive about the idea presented originally. It may not be true, but who cares? The purpose of discussion is not simply to tell truths. Nobody wants to hear that 1+1=2. That's pointless and boring. The purpose of discussion is to explore ideas and see what that uncovers. “No, you’re wrong” is quite dumb too, yes, but a rational person would not respond with either. Instead, they would present their own take and provide something meaningful. If they really cannot find anything of value to respond with, they would not respond at all. > If you can’t support a claim, you shouldn’t assert it as a fact. If you can support a claim, why bother asserting it at all? You already know it to be a fact. You are not going to learn that it is an extra double fact. Once you know something to be a fact, it ends there. There is nothing more you can do with that. When people assert something, you fundamentally know they are not quite sure about it. It is why they are still talking about it, and why they aren't just going around saying 1+1=2 all day long.

jncfhnb 3y ago

Citation needed

bluishgreen 3y ago
I don't have citation, but I concur with the GP, I grew up in the east, and it is far easier to socialize and also form deep friendships because everything is said out in the open and not hidden behind layers of decorum. Here is an example and a demonstration. As an example people are allowed to comment on someone being too heavy or too thin with them present. Here is the demonstration: Now as soon as I gave an example I have made this a controversial topic for the western audience. There is no way to look past the controversy and talk about other things or form bonds based on speech. Only an infinite loop.
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- jncfhnb 3y ago
  You have cited one example of a hang up in the west that is not common in the east. That is not evidence that the east lacks hang ups. Example: being openly gay. Demonstration: so taboo it’s illegal in some countries
  - huytersd 3y ago
    There’s plenty of bigotry like that but that’s part of being able to say what you like. I guess the idea is that a small minority has a pretty bad experience in life but the overwhelming majority feel content and speak their mind.
    - jncfhnb 3y ago
      Hilarious take imo
      - huytersd 3y ago
        I don’t think it’s particularly funny but it is true.
- generic92034 3y ago
  Years of watching anime, though, has led me to believe a certain eastern culture is basically celebrating awkwardness. ;)
wonderfulcloud 3y ago
There is actually some truth in the idea that developed countries suffer from more social awkwardness than developing countries. If you compare the north east coast to southern states, richer northern European countries to the poorer southern European countries, or urban areas to rural areas. A similar thing also plays out in East Asia where more developed countries tend to has more complaints about social awkwardness than less developed countries.
randomdata 3y ago
Great example! Has this anti-social behaviour become more prevalent because of social media, though? I suspect it has, although perhaps supplanting some other type of 'decorum' witnessed in pre-social media times.
- jncfhnb 3y ago
  The irony of this passive aggressive hyper enthusiastic sarcasm is palpable. The basic fact is that asynchrony forum posts request different social rules than live face to face conversation.
  - randomdata 3y ago
    Perhaps, but "citation needed" is always just an attempt to shut down those who don't fit the 'decorum'. It adds nothing to the conversation and is not good faith forum participation. There is no quote taken that could be cited, and there never is. The request is impossible to fulfill. Of course, that's the point. This anti-social "unless your words come from someone I respect, I don't want to talk to you" behaviour has most definitely shown to extend out into the real world. That became quite apparent during the COVID ordeal. But it is less clear if that was always the case, or if social media has made it more prevalent.
    - jncfhnb 3y ago
      It has nothing to do with decorum. It is simply a way to point out that someone’s assertion is unwarranted by presented evidence (often none) and aggressive. It’s far better faith to ask for some evidence than to rebuttal with “No, you’re wrong”, which is equally dumb. If you can’t support a claim, you shouldn’t assert it as a fact.
      - randomdata 3y ago
        > It is simply a way to point out that someone’s assertion is unwarranted by presented evidence (often none) and aggressive. There was nothing unwarranted or aggressive about the idea presented originally. It may not be true, but who cares? The purpose of discussion is not simply to tell truths. Nobody wants to hear that 1+1=2. That's pointless and boring. The purpose of discussion is to explore ideas and see what that uncovers. “No, you’re wrong” is quite dumb too, yes, but a rational person would not respond with either. Instead, they would present their own take and provide something meaningful. If they really cannot find anything of value to respond with, they would not respond at all. > If you can’t support a claim, you shouldn’t assert it as a fact. If you can support a claim, why bother asserting it at all? You already know it to be a fact. You are not going to learn that it is an extra double fact. Once you know something to be a fact, it ends there. There is nothing more you can do with that. When people assert something, you fundamentally know they are not quite sure about it. It is why they are still talking about it, and why they aren't just going around saying 1+1=2 all day long.