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ISPs: "You can't tell us how to spend money ensuring equitable deployment of critical infrastructure!" Also ISPs: "Ooh! Hey! Can we have some of that money in

by 303uru 3y ago

ISPs: "You can't tell us how to spend money ensuring equitable deployment of critical infrastructure!" Also ISPs: "Ooh! Hey! Can we have some of that money in the jar labeled 'federal money for ensuring equitable deployment of critical infrastructure' ?" How about this. Take it all back. Public utilities with equal access and reliability for all. I’m not even going to try and address the other top level comment crying “reverse racism” just WTAF.

cscurmudgeon 3y ago
Or just remove subsidies and enforce anti-trust laws to make sure there is real competition.
- jqpabc123 3y ago
  Go live in Texas and see how that has worked out with their power grid.
  - Dig1t 3y ago
    The power goes out just as often in California and Oregon, but news outlets cover the Texas outages for political reasons.
    - HeatrayEnjoyer 3y ago
      California and Oregon grids integrate with the rest of the country. Texas' grid does not, for very political reasons. The two are qualitatively different, it has nothing to do with news coverage.
  - cscurmudgeon 3y ago
    Do you think the Texas grid is not regulated? California has more outages than Texas. There is a difference between regulation and subsidies. Texas has much cheaper electricy than California: https://quickelectricity.com/texas-and-california-energy-side-by-side/ https://quickelectricity.com/texas-and-california-energy-sid... > Texas is the top producer of renewable electricity in the US, followed by California. Both states are rich in renewable sources and actively working to expand their generation capacity. Edit: Texas is not a free market! It has subsidies & regulations.
    - jqpabc123 3y ago
      Do you think the Texas grid is not regulated? It is regulated to make long term reliability and capacity planning economically unviable. California has more outages than Texas. Mainly due to wild fires which are beyond anyone's control. The outages in Texas are mostly the direct result of political ideology and incompetence.
      - cscurmudgeon 3y ago
        > The outages in Texas are mostly the direct result of political ideology and incompetence Do you have any metric that validates what you say? Becuase, a reasonable person can calmly make the opposite argument. You can protect the grid against wildfires. OTOH, California's utilities also cause wildfires due to incompetence [1]. Texas had a record-low winter storm that caused a major outage. Also, California's electricity is more than twice as costly as that of Texas. https://quickelectricity.com/texas-and-california-energy-side-by-side/ https://quickelectricity.com/texas-and-california-energy-sid... https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/pge-to-pay-55-million-for-two-massive-california-wildfires https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/pge-to-pay-55-million-fo... > Pacific Gas & Electric has agreed to pay more than $55 million to avoid criminal prosecution for two major wildfires started by aging Northern California power lines belonging to the nation’s largest utility, prosecutors announced Monday
        jqpabc123 3y ago
        Texas had a record-low winter storm that caused a major outage. Followed by record high summer heat that caused outages too. Texas power grid operates on the verge of collapse --- because of bassackwards "free market" ideology. You don't have to take my word for it, several studies have said the same. Also, California's electricity is more than twice as costly as that of Texas. Texas uses tax payer money to subsidize their grid's inadequacy. They pay selected large enterprises to shutdown and stop consuming when their grid starts to fail. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bitcoin-mining-cryptocurrency-riot-texas-power-grid/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bitcoin-mining-cryptocurrency-r... This is the prevailing "free market" ideology in Texas --- instead of making it economically viable for providers to add more capacity.
- Sabinus 3y ago
  Can't. Physical infrastructure should be built once, and owned by the government, who rents out bandwidth capacity to retail ISP providers. Then you get competition in that much more ideal market.
Dig1t 3y ago
Racism against white people exists, there’s nothing “reverse” about it. You can discriminate and exclude based on any skin color. Competition is what we need, look at cities where Google fiber is available, internet for everyone is faster and cheaper than anywhere in the country and there are of course no data caps in those cities. It’s why internet is way better in Kansas City than Silicon Valley. Kansas City has actual competition in their marketplace and common people provably benefit.
- HeatrayEnjoyer 3y ago
  Systemic racism does not exist against whites in the US.
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  - worksonmine 3y ago
    There are politicians agitating against white people in the US. Doesn't get more systemic than that. Let's not even get into the think tanks, or the media explaining how whites becoming a minority is a good thing. And all this is okay, in the name of diversity. It's crazy, racism is racism and this rhetoric is only antagonizing. Nothing good will come of it. We have similar issues in my country but not to the extent I see in the US.
    - frob 3y ago
      Could you please give an example of a major politician agitating against white people? To be specific, I do not mean someone pointing out that our system has been built to privlidge white people at the behest of white people, but a politician specifically agitating against white people. Because I can find endless pages of the head of the Republican party agitating against Mexicans (they're sending rapists), Latinos, Black people (shithole countries), Muslims (literally banned them after musing about how great it would be to kill them with bullets dipped in pig's blood), and Asians (Wuhan flu and China virus, over and over and over).

by 303uru 3y ago

cscurmudgeon 3y ago

Or just remove subsidies and enforce anti-trust laws to make sure there is real competition.

jqpabc123 3y ago
Go live in Texas and see how that has worked out with their power grid.
- Dig1t 3y ago
  The power goes out just as often in California and Oregon, but news outlets cover the Texas outages for political reasons.
  - HeatrayEnjoyer 3y ago
    California and Oregon grids integrate with the rest of the country. Texas' grid does not, for very political reasons. The two are qualitatively different, it has nothing to do with news coverage.
- cscurmudgeon 3y ago
  Do you think the Texas grid is not regulated? California has more outages than Texas. There is a difference between regulation and subsidies. Texas has much cheaper electricy than California: https://quickelectricity.com/texas-and-california-energy-side-by-side/ https://quickelectricity.com/texas-and-california-energy-sid... > Texas is the top producer of renewable electricity in the US, followed by California. Both states are rich in renewable sources and actively working to expand their generation capacity. Edit: Texas is not a free market! It has subsidies & regulations.
  - jqpabc123 3y ago
    Do you think the Texas grid is not regulated? It is regulated to make long term reliability and capacity planning economically unviable. California has more outages than Texas. Mainly due to wild fires which are beyond anyone's control. The outages in Texas are mostly the direct result of political ideology and incompetence.
    - cscurmudgeon 3y ago
      > The outages in Texas are mostly the direct result of political ideology and incompetence Do you have any metric that validates what you say? Becuase, a reasonable person can calmly make the opposite argument. You can protect the grid against wildfires. OTOH, California's utilities also cause wildfires due to incompetence [1]. Texas had a record-low winter storm that caused a major outage. Also, California's electricity is more than twice as costly as that of Texas. https://quickelectricity.com/texas-and-california-energy-side-by-side/ https://quickelectricity.com/texas-and-california-energy-sid... https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/pge-to-pay-55-million-for-two-massive-california-wildfires https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/pge-to-pay-55-million-fo... > Pacific Gas & Electric has agreed to pay more than $55 million to avoid criminal prosecution for two major wildfires started by aging Northern California power lines belonging to the nation’s largest utility, prosecutors announced Monday
      - jqpabc123 3y ago
        Texas had a record-low winter storm that caused a major outage. Followed by record high summer heat that caused outages too. Texas power grid operates on the verge of collapse --- because of bassackwards "free market" ideology. You don't have to take my word for it, several studies have said the same. Also, California's electricity is more than twice as costly as that of Texas. Texas uses tax payer money to subsidize their grid's inadequacy. They pay selected large enterprises to shutdown and stop consuming when their grid starts to fail. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bitcoin-mining-cryptocurrency-riot-texas-power-grid/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bitcoin-mining-cryptocurrency-r... This is the prevailing "free market" ideology in Texas --- instead of making it economically viable for providers to add more capacity.
Sabinus 3y ago
Can't. Physical infrastructure should be built once, and owned by the government, who rents out bandwidth capacity to retail ISP providers. Then you get competition in that much more ideal market.

Dig1t 3y ago

Racism against white people exists, there’s nothing “reverse” about it. You can discriminate and exclude based on any skin color. Competition is what we need, look at cities where Google fiber is available, internet for everyone is faster and cheaper than anywhere in the country and there are of course no data caps in those cities. It’s why internet is way better in Kansas City than Silicon Valley. Kansas City has actual competition in their marketplace and common people provably benefit.

HeatrayEnjoyer 3y ago
Systemic racism does not exist against whites in the US.
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
- worksonmine 3y ago
  There are politicians agitating against white people in the US. Doesn't get more systemic than that. Let's not even get into the think tanks, or the media explaining how whites becoming a minority is a good thing. And all this is okay, in the name of diversity. It's crazy, racism is racism and this rhetoric is only antagonizing. Nothing good will come of it. We have similar issues in my country but not to the extent I see in the US.
  - frob 3y ago
    Could you please give an example of a major politician agitating against white people? To be specific, I do not mean someone pointing out that our system has been built to privlidge white people at the behest of white people, but a politician specifically agitating against white people. Because I can find endless pages of the head of the Republican party agitating against Mexicans (they're sending rapists), Latinos, Black people (shithole countries), Muslims (literally banned them after musing about how great it would be to kill them with bullets dipped in pig's blood), and Asians (Wuhan flu and China virus, over and over and over).