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> What baffles me most is that JetBrains didn't realise AI integration makes their product unusable in many companies At least if they either use the user's co

> What baffles me most is that JetBrains didn't realise AI integration makes their product unusable in many companies At least if they either use the user's code in training OR if it uses any code with unknown provenance. Microsoft's solution seems to be the best: we take responsibility for the code. But that responsibility comes at a cost.

explaininjs 3y ago
Microsoft’s (VS Code) solution is actually better: don’t want any AI? Don’t opt in to installing optional extension that uses AI. And, if you want AI but only using local models, all the same UI API’s are available to you. (modulo some know-how)
slimsag 3y ago
> At least if they either use the user's code in training OR if it uses any code with unknown provenance. There are also many other cases where it is just outright prohibited, or heavily restricted, even if the aspects you describe were allowed.
- alkonaut 3y ago
  So unrelated to IP? What’s an example of that?
  - slimsag 3y ago
    Compliance-related challenges due to transferring data outside the network. Compliance-related challenges due to potentially biased decision making. Financial regulation compliance concerns. Government regulations around the application of AI/ML in certain circumstances, or model use restrictions.
Aurornis 3y ago
> At least if they either use the user's code in training JetBrains makes it clear that the code is not submitted for training purposes, contrary to the speculation in a lot of comments. It’s also not enabled by default and requires a trial or subscription as well, so it’s not something people are going to stumble into accidentally using. I’m sure some strict companies will forbid the use of any product that might possibly have an AI component, but they’ll be refining policies and making exceptions as everything from operating systems to web browsers start coming with optional AI features.
ta988 3y ago
It is said explicitly in the article that 1) you have to activate it and pay for it 2) the data is not used for training

explaininjs 3y ago

Microsoft’s (VS Code) solution is actually better: don’t want any AI? Don’t opt in to installing optional extension that uses AI. And, if you want AI but only using local models, all the same UI API’s are available to you. (modulo some know-how)

slimsag 3y ago

> At least if they either use the user's code in training OR if it uses any code with unknown provenance. There are also many other cases where it is just outright prohibited, or heavily restricted, even if the aspects you describe were allowed.

alkonaut 3y ago
So unrelated to IP? What’s an example of that?
- slimsag 3y ago
  Compliance-related challenges due to transferring data outside the network. Compliance-related challenges due to potentially biased decision making. Financial regulation compliance concerns. Government regulations around the application of AI/ML in certain circumstances, or model use restrictions.

Aurornis 3y ago

> At least if they either use the user's code in training JetBrains makes it clear that the code is not submitted for training purposes, contrary to the speculation in a lot of comments. It’s also not enabled by default and requires a trial or subscription as well, so it’s not something people are going to stumble into accidentally using. I’m sure some strict companies will forbid the use of any product that might possibly have an AI component, but they’ll be refining policies and making exceptions as everything from operating systems to web browsers start coming with optional AI features.

ta988 3y ago

It is said explicitly in the article that 1) you have to activate it and pay for it 2) the data is not used for training