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The only notable thing about the comment section on the Toyota recall, is that it not filled with apologists crying that people are unfairly highlighting a safe

The only notable thing about the comment section on the Toyota recall, is that it not filled with apologists crying that people are unfairly highlighting a safety issue. Of course, Toyota is treated as a real car maker, and they should be scrutinized as such. Recalls are no joke. But when it's a Tesla recall, the comment section is a shitshow. An odd mix of Musk sycophants, shills that are financially invested in the company, and fanboys that adopted Teslas as a sort of status symbol. The funny thing is that initially I was neutral on Tesla. I didn't love or hate Elon, and saw Tesla as another US car maker, not more or less special than Ford, GM, etc. But those people really soured me. If the consumers of those cars are willing to undermine its flaws for ulterior motives, that's one car I'll always refuse to buy.

belltaco 3y ago
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- clouddrover 3y ago
  So.. you're suffering from a persecution complex about a car brand? I think there are bigger and better things to worry about than Tesla's image. You're not even getting paid to be Tesla's volunteer PR flack and spin doctor. If you want a career in PR then at least get paid for it.
  - belltaco 3y ago
    Just correcting people and noticing things is a persecution complex now? And nothing about all the haters of a car brand? Literally I just posted a list of URLs and stated that other car companies have had power steering problems too and it triggered a bunch of angry replies and got downvoted for listing inconvenient facts.
    - clouddrover 3y ago
      You're not just correcting people. You're saying things like "irrational Tesla haters" and "upvoters bring almost every negative Tesla story and hit piece on to the front page" and "you only hear about this one because it's Tesla". That's less "noticing things" and more paranoia. And paranoia about something as trivial as a car brand. That is a significant loss of perspective. An obvious problem with Tesla is its lack of commitment to the truth. When lying becomes standard operating procedure for a company then that company is not worth your time or money. In 2016 Tesla claimed that "as of today, all Tesla vehicles produced in our factory – including Model 3 – will have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver". That was lie: https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now-have-full-self-driving-hardware https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now... Tesla's video "demonstrating" full self-driving was staged: https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-video-promoting-self-driving-was-staged-engineer-testifies-2023-01-17/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-video-promoting-sel... Musk's cavalcade of lies about full self-driving, year after year: https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/ https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/ Tesla even feels the need to lie about something as dumb as quarter mile times for the Cybertruck. Their recent "quarter mile" video was fake. Lying is simply the company culture at Tesla: https://insideevs.com/news/699260/tesla-cybertruck-porsche-race/ https://insideevs.com/news/699260/tesla-cybertruck-porsche-r... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRYS5VWXZts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRYS5VWXZts So instead of running around with paranoid fantasies that world is out to get Tesla, first ask yourself why Tesla feels the need to lie so often. Then ask yourself why it is that you have to spend so much time and effort making excuses for Tesla. Maybe it isn't the rest of the world that's the problem. Maybe all those articles that you don't like aren't "hit pieces" after all. Maybe the problem is Tesla.
      - belltaco 3y ago
        I could make a long list of 'lies' that other car companies made up with actual harms that are completely ignored and never brought up. Like the Volkswagen emissions scandal or the GM ignition scandal that resulted in deaths and criminal charges for hiding and falsifying information to the govt. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2015/09/17/why-general-motors-900-million-fine-for-a-deadly-defect-is-just-a-slap-on-the-wrist/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2015/09/17/w... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_ignition_switch_recalls https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_ignition_switch... Even if what you said was true it's not okay to constantly make up misinformation about Tesla. As you listed there's enough to legitimately criticize Tesla and other automakers about, so why are people hell bent on making up things? > So instead of running around with paranoid fantasies that world is out to get Tesla There's a long line of shortsellers, fossil fuel and car company anti-EV lobby money in the media and just plain haters making up things, and anyone pointing out the falsehoods personally attacked. I hate this trend of demonization of cancelling something or someone, and then falsehoods are spread and anyone pointing out the falsehoods are demonized.

belltaco 3y ago

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clouddrover 3y ago
So.. you're suffering from a persecution complex about a car brand? I think there are bigger and better things to worry about than Tesla's image. You're not even getting paid to be Tesla's volunteer PR flack and spin doctor. If you want a career in PR then at least get paid for it.
- belltaco 3y ago
  Just correcting people and noticing things is a persecution complex now? And nothing about all the haters of a car brand? Literally I just posted a list of URLs and stated that other car companies have had power steering problems too and it triggered a bunch of angry replies and got downvoted for listing inconvenient facts.
  - clouddrover 3y ago
    You're not just correcting people. You're saying things like "irrational Tesla haters" and "upvoters bring almost every negative Tesla story and hit piece on to the front page" and "you only hear about this one because it's Tesla". That's less "noticing things" and more paranoia. And paranoia about something as trivial as a car brand. That is a significant loss of perspective. An obvious problem with Tesla is its lack of commitment to the truth. When lying becomes standard operating procedure for a company then that company is not worth your time or money. In 2016 Tesla claimed that "as of today, all Tesla vehicles produced in our factory – including Model 3 – will have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver". That was lie: https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now-have-full-self-driving-hardware https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now... Tesla's video "demonstrating" full self-driving was staged: https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-video-promoting-self-driving-was-staged-engineer-testifies-2023-01-17/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-video-promoting-sel... Musk's cavalcade of lies about full self-driving, year after year: https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/ https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/ Tesla even feels the need to lie about something as dumb as quarter mile times for the Cybertruck. Their recent "quarter mile" video was fake. Lying is simply the company culture at Tesla: https://insideevs.com/news/699260/tesla-cybertruck-porsche-race/ https://insideevs.com/news/699260/tesla-cybertruck-porsche-r... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRYS5VWXZts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRYS5VWXZts So instead of running around with paranoid fantasies that world is out to get Tesla, first ask yourself why Tesla feels the need to lie so often. Then ask yourself why it is that you have to spend so much time and effort making excuses for Tesla. Maybe it isn't the rest of the world that's the problem. Maybe all those articles that you don't like aren't "hit pieces" after all. Maybe the problem is Tesla.
    - belltaco 3y ago
      I could make a long list of 'lies' that other car companies made up with actual harms that are completely ignored and never brought up. Like the Volkswagen emissions scandal or the GM ignition scandal that resulted in deaths and criminal charges for hiding and falsifying information to the govt. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2015/09/17/why-general-motors-900-million-fine-for-a-deadly-defect-is-just-a-slap-on-the-wrist/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2015/09/17/w... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_ignition_switch_recalls https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_ignition_switch... Even if what you said was true it's not okay to constantly make up misinformation about Tesla. As you listed there's enough to legitimately criticize Tesla and other automakers about, so why are people hell bent on making up things? > So instead of running around with paranoid fantasies that world is out to get Tesla There's a long line of shortsellers, fossil fuel and car company anti-EV lobby money in the media and just plain haters making up things, and anyone pointing out the falsehoods personally attacked. I hate this trend of demonization of cancelling something or someone, and then falsehoods are spread and anyone pointing out the falsehoods are demonized.