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> Apple has done nothing cross platform or open source or community oriented Cups - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CUPS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CUPS Swif

> Apple has done nothing cross platform or open source or community oriented Cups - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CUPS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CUPS Swift - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swift_(programming_language) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swift_(programming_language) Zeroconf - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonjour_(software) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonjour_(software) I think they're bad, opaque opensource maintainers, but they did release some popular things that have communities on other systems. I do wish they just contributed to nickel or something else though rather than doing their NIH as usual.

astrange 3y ago
WebKit? FoundationDB?
- viraptor 3y ago
  I didn't include webkit since it's a forked KHTML, which wasn't theirs.
  - egberts1 3y ago
    Yes. Entire timeline of JavaScript engines. https://egbert.net/blog/articles/javascript-jit-engines-timeline.html https://egbert.net/blog/articles/javascript-jit-engines-time...
  - zdw 3y ago
    I didn't include Linux because it's just a Unix reimplementation, not theirs. or: I didn't include Firefox because it's just an NCSA Mosaic fork, not theirs. The point being, whoever does most of the work and maintenance owns something, not who came up with some early predecessor.
  - astrange 3y ago
    There's hardly anything left of that.
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amszmidt 3y ago
CUPS was done by Easy Software Products, in 1997. Apple adopted it only in 2002. Swift is a language entirely in the control of Apple, mainly targeting Apples platforms. With little to no community engagement. Bonjour is not really cross platform, and not really open source either as it has lots of strings attached to the license and terms one can use it under. (I wouldn't say that Apple has done "nothing" -- but to credit them for doing much is also a stretch)
- iainmerrick 3y ago
  HLS -- created by Apple, just about everybody uses it for streaming on the web. And I think CSS animations and transforms mostly came out of Apple; at any rate, they're very similar to the animations and transforms in UIKit that originally came from NeXT.
  - epcoa 3y ago
    Apple being gung-ho to push a technology to further nail Flash to the cross whether the actual reason, at least is consistent with their MO and not some great contribution to open standards.
    - iainmerrick 3y ago
      As long as HLS is more open than Flash was, why not? It could be both of those things.
      - epcoa 3y ago
        Ha, I was only referring to the CSS animations. That seemed at the time to be more pressing. But no disagreement.
jjirsa 3y ago
> I do wish they just contributed to nickel or something else though rather than doing their NIH as usual. They’re contributing to a ton of OSS that’s NIH: https://opensource.apple.com/projects/ https://opensource.apple.com/projects/ K8s, spark, cassandra, netty, zookeeper, solr, containerd
mrudolph22 3y ago
> I do wish they just contributed to nickel or something else though rather than doing their NIH as usual. Did Nickel exist in 2018? (Someone here said that Pkl did.)

astrange 3y ago

WebKit? FoundationDB?

viraptor 3y ago
I didn't include webkit since it's a forked KHTML, which wasn't theirs.
- egberts1 3y ago
  Yes. Entire timeline of JavaScript engines. https://egbert.net/blog/articles/javascript-jit-engines-timeline.html https://egbert.net/blog/articles/javascript-jit-engines-time...
- zdw 3y ago
  I didn't include Linux because it's just a Unix reimplementation, not theirs. or: I didn't include Firefox because it's just an NCSA Mosaic fork, not theirs. The point being, whoever does most of the work and maintenance owns something, not who came up with some early predecessor.
- astrange 3y ago
  There's hardly anything left of that.

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amszmidt 3y ago

CUPS was done by Easy Software Products, in 1997. Apple adopted it only in 2002. Swift is a language entirely in the control of Apple, mainly targeting Apples platforms. With little to no community engagement. Bonjour is not really cross platform, and not really open source either as it has lots of strings attached to the license and terms one can use it under. (I wouldn't say that Apple has done "nothing" -- but to credit them for doing much is also a stretch)

iainmerrick 3y ago
HLS -- created by Apple, just about everybody uses it for streaming on the web. And I think CSS animations and transforms mostly came out of Apple; at any rate, they're very similar to the animations and transforms in UIKit that originally came from NeXT.
- epcoa 3y ago
  Apple being gung-ho to push a technology to further nail Flash to the cross whether the actual reason, at least is consistent with their MO and not some great contribution to open standards.
  - iainmerrick 3y ago
    As long as HLS is more open than Flash was, why not? It could be both of those things.
    - epcoa 3y ago
      Ha, I was only referring to the CSS animations. That seemed at the time to be more pressing. But no disagreement.

jjirsa 3y ago

> I do wish they just contributed to nickel or something else though rather than doing their NIH as usual. They’re contributing to a ton of OSS that’s NIH: https://opensource.apple.com/projects/ https://opensource.apple.com/projects/ K8s, spark, cassandra, netty, zookeeper, solr, containerd

mrudolph22 3y ago

> I do wish they just contributed to nickel or something else though rather than doing their NIH as usual. Did Nickel exist in 2018? (Someone here said that Pkl did.)