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Mozilla took aim ... and wiffed ... big time. Edge hasn't displaced Firefox, Chrome has. But they have about 600 million ($) reasons to avoid pointing this ou

Mozilla took aim ... and wiffed ... big time. Edge hasn't displaced Firefox, Chrome has. But they have about 600 million ($) reasons to avoid pointing this out. Let's face the facts --- Mozilla is Google's bitch and has been for a long time. And this is just the latest example.

KingOfCoders 3y ago
600 million ($)? They've got ~$6000 (?) million from Google over the years. In a total distortion of reality Edge is the downfall of Firefox, not the reason they spent $6000M for 3% market share because they made every mistake they could make. Everyone else would be belly up already, but $600M/year makes it hard to die. The fact that new browsers are popping up left and right (like Floorp) should tell Mozilla there seems to be demand for something that isn't FF. (Written from FF with Tab Center Reborn as a vertical tab)
- jqpabc123 3y ago
  ...there seems to be demand for something that isn't FF. There is a demand for something that is really privacy focused. In other words, something that isn't directly connected to Google with a blatantly obvious conflict of interest.
  - AlexandrB 3y ago
    But all the other alternative browsers use Google's Blink rendering engine. How is that less associated with google?
    - jqpabc123 3y ago
      How is that less associated with google? Blink is an open source rendering engine. This allows alternative browsers to fork Blink/Chromium and strip out and remove any and all tracking, telemetry and data collection and produce a product that is privacy respecting by default. Mozilla could easily do the same with FF --- but they simply refuse to. Instead, every install of FF downloaded directly from Mozilla is unique. It comes with a unique identifier embedded along with lots of telemetry and data collection enabled by default --- including allowing Mozilla to install and run "studies" on your computer with no further consent required. https://www.ghacks.net/2022/03/17/each-firefox-download-has-a-unique-identifier/ https://www.ghacks.net/2022/03/17/each-firefox-download-has-...
hakfoo 3y ago
Edge has the unique position of being the first browser you have access to on a fresh Windows PC, so if it stands in the way of changing browsers, it's uniquely problematic. The fact that 95% of people are trying to change to Chrome doesn't deny the merits of Mozilla's complaints. Remember, anything they put in the way of switching to Chrome will also be deployed against any other browser they consider a threat.

KingOfCoders 3y ago

600 million ($)? They've got ~$6000 (?) million from Google over the years. In a total distortion of reality Edge is the downfall of Firefox, not the reason they spent $6000M for 3% market share because they made every mistake they could make. Everyone else would be belly up already, but $600M/year makes it hard to die. The fact that new browsers are popping up left and right (like Floorp) should tell Mozilla there seems to be demand for something that isn't FF. (Written from FF with Tab Center Reborn as a vertical tab)

jqpabc123 3y ago
...there seems to be demand for something that isn't FF. There is a demand for something that is really privacy focused. In other words, something that isn't directly connected to Google with a blatantly obvious conflict of interest.
- AlexandrB 3y ago
  But all the other alternative browsers use Google's Blink rendering engine. How is that less associated with google?
  - jqpabc123 3y ago
    How is that less associated with google? Blink is an open source rendering engine. This allows alternative browsers to fork Blink/Chromium and strip out and remove any and all tracking, telemetry and data collection and produce a product that is privacy respecting by default. Mozilla could easily do the same with FF --- but they simply refuse to. Instead, every install of FF downloaded directly from Mozilla is unique. It comes with a unique identifier embedded along with lots of telemetry and data collection enabled by default --- including allowing Mozilla to install and run "studies" on your computer with no further consent required. https://www.ghacks.net/2022/03/17/each-firefox-download-has-a-unique-identifier/ https://www.ghacks.net/2022/03/17/each-firefox-download-has-...

hakfoo 3y ago

Edge has the unique position of being the first browser you have access to on a fresh Windows PC, so if it stands in the way of changing browsers, it's uniquely problematic. The fact that 95% of people are trying to change to Chrome doesn't deny the merits of Mozilla's complaints. Remember, anything they put in the way of switching to Chrome will also be deployed against any other browser they consider a threat.