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I kind of get the vibe that Mozilla is laying the groundworks for Microsoft vs Netscape Round II - or at least some kind of antitrust litigation.

by gbxyz 3y ago

tussa 3y ago
About time!
geysersam 3y ago
I hope so. But a lot has changed, notably the financial power and sheer size of their counterparts. We're talking about three of the most valuable companies in the world.
doix 3y ago
I really wish they'd go after Apple and Safari. Safari is basically the modern day IE. Whenever I do anything slightly weird, I'm fairly confident it works in chrome/Firefox and almost sure that it's broken in safari. The fact that you can't test on Safari without osx is insane. Some bugs can be reproduced in other WebKit browsers (I test with epiphany) but some are safari only. Not to mention the fact that Safari is the only choice on Apple mobile devices. I believe Apple is significantly worse than Microsoft in regards to browsers. I wish Mozilla would focus on them.
- m2mdas2 3y ago
  They won't. They already have given both Apple and Google pass when chrome was launched or when smartphones took of. Mozilla sees Microsoft as devil's incarnation while Google and Apple are the ally in their holy war. I am saying this as a developer who was using Firefox since firebug v0.8 era.
- Vinnl 3y ago
  There is https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/26/24052067/mozilla-apple-ios-browser-rules-firefox https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/26/24052067/mozilla-apple-io... and https://blog.mozilla.org/netpolicy/2024/01/19/platform-tilt/ https://blog.mozilla.org/netpolicy/2024/01/19/platform-tilt/.
- kalleboo 3y ago
  Once Chrome is allowed on iOS, then Firefox is dead. When they're no longer forced to test in a second browser by management, all the web devs will just check for a recent Chrome user agent and if it's not there they just say "install chrome to use this site", and we're back in the IE days. And then Google can stop paying Mozilla for search field defaults and then all of Mozilla's income is gone.
  - doix 3y ago
    I've seen that sentiment a lot, I don't buy it. Google pays for Firefox so they can claim they are not a monopoly. I'm hopeful that if people have a choice on iOS, then Apple would invest more on their browser.

I kind of get the vibe that Mozilla is laying the groundworks for Microsoft vs Netscape Round II - or at least some kind of antitrust litigation.

by gbxyz 3y ago

I kind of get the vibe that Mozilla is laying the groundworks for Microsoft vs Netscape Round II - or at least some kind of antitrust litigation.

tussa 3y ago

About time!

geysersam 3y ago

I hope so. But a lot has changed, notably the financial power and sheer size of their counterparts. We're talking about three of the most valuable companies in the world.

doix 3y ago

I really wish they'd go after Apple and Safari. Safari is basically the modern day IE. Whenever I do anything slightly weird, I'm fairly confident it works in chrome/Firefox and almost sure that it's broken in safari. The fact that you can't test on Safari without osx is insane. Some bugs can be reproduced in other WebKit browsers (I test with epiphany) but some are safari only. Not to mention the fact that Safari is the only choice on Apple mobile devices. I believe Apple is significantly worse than Microsoft in regards to browsers. I wish Mozilla would focus on them.

m2mdas2 3y ago
They won't. They already have given both Apple and Google pass when chrome was launched or when smartphones took of. Mozilla sees Microsoft as devil's incarnation while Google and Apple are the ally in their holy war. I am saying this as a developer who was using Firefox since firebug v0.8 era.
Vinnl 3y ago
There is https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/26/24052067/mozilla-apple-ios-browser-rules-firefox https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/26/24052067/mozilla-apple-io... and https://blog.mozilla.org/netpolicy/2024/01/19/platform-tilt/ https://blog.mozilla.org/netpolicy/2024/01/19/platform-tilt/.
kalleboo 3y ago
Once Chrome is allowed on iOS, then Firefox is dead. When they're no longer forced to test in a second browser by management, all the web devs will just check for a recent Chrome user agent and if it's not there they just say "install chrome to use this site", and we're back in the IE days. And then Google can stop paying Mozilla for search field defaults and then all of Mozilla's income is gone.
- doix 3y ago
  I've seen that sentiment a lot, I don't buy it. Google pays for Firefox so they can claim they are not a monopoly. I'm hopeful that if people have a choice on iOS, then Apple would invest more on their browser.