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Power steering failures are relatively common, among companies that have been making cars for a century now. E.g. https://www.consumerreports.org/car-recalls-d

Power steering failures are relatively common, among companies that have been making cars for a century now. E.g. https://www.consumerreports.org/car-recalls-defects/gm-recalls-trucks-suvs-for-steering-problem/ https://www.consumerreports.org/car-recalls-defects/gm-recal... https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-recalls-defects/honda-civic-sedans-hatchbacks-recalled-for-steering-problem-a7538780192 https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-recalls-defects/hon... https://amarolawfirm.com/product-liability/vehicle-recalls/ford-steering-recall/ https://amarolawfirm.com/product-liability/vehicle-recalls/f... You only hear about this one because it's Tesla.

clouddrover 3y ago
> You only hear about this one because it's Tesla. So.. you're saying that power steering failures are common and then proceed to link to articles listing power steering related recalls. But then in the next breath you claim that we only hear about this one because it's Tesla. Seems a bit contradictory. If we didn't hear about recalls from other car companies, you wouldn't be able to link to examples of them. Your comment is an example of the "Tesla's just another car company like all the rest" line of defense offered up when there's bad news about Tesla.
- hehhehaha 3y ago
  > If we didn't hear about recalls from other car companies, you wouldn't be able to link to examples of them. this is not it lol
- belltaco 3y ago
  > But then in the next breath you claim that we only hear about this one because it's Tesla. "We" in this context is HN. Type 'recalls' in HN search and see how many Tesla vs non-Tesla recall news were popular on HN. > Of all the administration's recalls in 2023, Ford issued the most recalls (58 or 16% of all recalls issued), followed by Chrysler with 45, per NHTSA data. That includes either parts of vehicles or entire vehicles recalled, and also compliance concerns over emissions standards or environmental regulations, and software or technology glitches. > General Motors, Chrysler, BMW and Nissan all ranked in the top 10 most-impacted manufacturers, according to NHTSA. https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2024/01/12/vehicle-manufactures-recalls-2023/72195820007/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2024/01/12/vehicle... How many of the above recalls did we hear about on HN?
  - clouddrover 3y ago
    Here's one on Hacker News about a Toyota recall from 3 days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39191931 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39191931 Maybe look around a bit. Broaden your horizons. Seek out a bigger perspective than only what you see on Hacker News. You seem to have narrowed yourself much too much.
    - surgical_fire 3y ago
      The only notable thing about the comment section on the Toyota recall, is that it not filled with apologists crying that people are unfairly highlighting a safety issue. Of course, Toyota is treated as a real car maker, and they should be scrutinized as such. Recalls are no joke. But when it's a Tesla recall, the comment section is a shitshow. An odd mix of Musk sycophants, shills that are financially invested in the company, and fanboys that adopted Teslas as a sort of status symbol. The funny thing is that initially I was neutral on Tesla. I didn't love or hate Elon, and saw Tesla as another US car maker, not more or less special than Ford, GM, etc. But those people really soured me. If the consumers of those cars are willing to undermine its flaws for ulterior motives, that's one car I'll always refuse to buy.
      - belltaco 3y ago
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        clouddrover 3y ago
        So.. you're suffering from a persecution complex about a car brand? I think there are bigger and better things to worry about than Tesla's image. You're not even getting paid to be Tesla's volunteer PR flack and spin doctor. If you want a career in PR then at least get paid for it.
        belltaco 3y ago
        Just correcting people and noticing things is a persecution complex now? And nothing about all the haters of a car brand? Literally I just posted a list of URLs and stated that other car companies have had power steering problems too and it triggered a bunch of angry replies and got downvoted for listing inconvenient facts.
wolverine876 3y ago
I see they've mastered the modern rhetorical technique of having a trillion in assets, billions in sales of this product, buildings filled with professional engineers, lots of bragging about the size of their engineering genitalia ... and instantly adopting the position of the fragile, vulnerable victim the moment they are criticized. They are so agile. It's like criticizing kindergartners - they start crying and then what do you say (I don't criticize real kindergartners, only Tesla engineers and executives). I'll also point out that Musk delights in demonstrating that he doesn't give a crap about anyone or anything, but let's not stoop to that level. > Power steering failures are relatively common Let's have a contest: who can describe the problem most euphemistically? 'Minor safety issues are common'? 'Software calibration issue'? 'All software has bugs'?
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- belltaco 3y ago
  > I don't criticize real kindergartners, only Tesla engineers and executives Where is this criticism? And why only Tesla engineers and not other car company engineers or executives? Why are they exempt from criticism?
- PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
  right, it's a software bug, not a physical problem. That's where the absurdity lies.
PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
good evening tesla apologist, look closer. Those are due to physical problems, not software bugs. As most of the apologists in this thread have rightly pointed out, Tesla can fix the problem with an over-the-air update. Other manufacturers can't. If you took my post to be claiming other cars never had physical problems, you misunderstood the absurdity. We hear about this one because it's fucking absurd for a software bug to cause intermittent steering issues. and tesla's aren't that old, give it 20 years and then you might have a leg to stand on comparing recall percentages. Toyota just recalled 2003/2004 corrolla's for an airbag issue. Tesla hasn't had time to find all the bullshit yet.
- belltaco 3y ago
  > As most of the apologists in this thread have rightly pointed out, Tesla can fix the problem with an over-the-air update. Huh? That's for a different issue with the UI icons being small. Source? > We hear about this one because it's fucking absurd for a software bug to cause intermittent steering issues Source that it's a software bug? In fact the article says it's likely a physical defect in parts. > good evening tesla apologist Ah, irrational Tesla haters are not known for the ability to discern facts.
  - PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
    I don't always have physical defects, but when I do, I fix them with non-physical software updates.

clouddrover 3y ago

> You only hear about this one because it's Tesla. So.. you're saying that power steering failures are common and then proceed to link to articles listing power steering related recalls. But then in the next breath you claim that we only hear about this one because it's Tesla. Seems a bit contradictory. If we didn't hear about recalls from other car companies, you wouldn't be able to link to examples of them. Your comment is an example of the "Tesla's just another car company like all the rest" line of defense offered up when there's bad news about Tesla.

hehhehaha 3y ago
> If we didn't hear about recalls from other car companies, you wouldn't be able to link to examples of them. this is not it lol
belltaco 3y ago
> But then in the next breath you claim that we only hear about this one because it's Tesla. "We" in this context is HN. Type 'recalls' in HN search and see how many Tesla vs non-Tesla recall news were popular on HN. > Of all the administration's recalls in 2023, Ford issued the most recalls (58 or 16% of all recalls issued), followed by Chrysler with 45, per NHTSA data. That includes either parts of vehicles or entire vehicles recalled, and also compliance concerns over emissions standards or environmental regulations, and software or technology glitches. > General Motors, Chrysler, BMW and Nissan all ranked in the top 10 most-impacted manufacturers, according to NHTSA. https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2024/01/12/vehicle-manufactures-recalls-2023/72195820007/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2024/01/12/vehicle... How many of the above recalls did we hear about on HN?
- clouddrover 3y ago
  Here's one on Hacker News about a Toyota recall from 3 days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39191931 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39191931 Maybe look around a bit. Broaden your horizons. Seek out a bigger perspective than only what you see on Hacker News. You seem to have narrowed yourself much too much.
  - surgical_fire 3y ago
    The only notable thing about the comment section on the Toyota recall, is that it not filled with apologists crying that people are unfairly highlighting a safety issue. Of course, Toyota is treated as a real car maker, and they should be scrutinized as such. Recalls are no joke. But when it's a Tesla recall, the comment section is a shitshow. An odd mix of Musk sycophants, shills that are financially invested in the company, and fanboys that adopted Teslas as a sort of status symbol. The funny thing is that initially I was neutral on Tesla. I didn't love or hate Elon, and saw Tesla as another US car maker, not more or less special than Ford, GM, etc. But those people really soured me. If the consumers of those cars are willing to undermine its flaws for ulterior motives, that's one car I'll always refuse to buy.
    - belltaco 3y ago
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      - clouddrover 3y ago
        So.. you're suffering from a persecution complex about a car brand? I think there are bigger and better things to worry about than Tesla's image. You're not even getting paid to be Tesla's volunteer PR flack and spin doctor. If you want a career in PR then at least get paid for it.
        belltaco 3y ago
        Just correcting people and noticing things is a persecution complex now? And nothing about all the haters of a car brand? Literally I just posted a list of URLs and stated that other car companies have had power steering problems too and it triggered a bunch of angry replies and got downvoted for listing inconvenient facts.

wolverine876 3y ago

I see they've mastered the modern rhetorical technique of having a trillion in assets, billions in sales of this product, buildings filled with professional engineers, lots of bragging about the size of their engineering genitalia ... and instantly adopting the position of the fragile, vulnerable victim the moment they are criticized. They are so agile. It's like criticizing kindergartners - they start crying and then what do you say (I don't criticize real kindergartners, only Tesla engineers and executives). I'll also point out that Musk delights in demonstrating that he doesn't give a crap about anyone or anything, but let's not stoop to that level. > Power steering failures are relatively common Let's have a contest: who can describe the problem most euphemistically? 'Minor safety issues are common'? 'Software calibration issue'? 'All software has bugs'?

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belltaco 3y ago
> I don't criticize real kindergartners, only Tesla engineers and executives Where is this criticism? And why only Tesla engineers and not other car company engineers or executives? Why are they exempt from criticism?
PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
right, it's a software bug, not a physical problem. That's where the absurdity lies.

PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago

good evening tesla apologist, look closer. Those are due to physical problems, not software bugs. As most of the apologists in this thread have rightly pointed out, Tesla can fix the problem with an over-the-air update. Other manufacturers can't. If you took my post to be claiming other cars never had physical problems, you misunderstood the absurdity. We hear about this one because it's fucking absurd for a software bug to cause intermittent steering issues. and tesla's aren't that old, give it 20 years and then you might have a leg to stand on comparing recall percentages. Toyota just recalled 2003/2004 corrolla's for an airbag issue. Tesla hasn't had time to find all the bullshit yet.

belltaco 3y ago
> As most of the apologists in this thread have rightly pointed out, Tesla can fix the problem with an over-the-air update. Huh? That's for a different issue with the UI icons being small. Source? > We hear about this one because it's fucking absurd for a software bug to cause intermittent steering issues Source that it's a software bug? In fact the article says it's likely a physical defect in parts. > good evening tesla apologist Ah, irrational Tesla haters are not known for the ability to discern facts.
- PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
  I don't always have physical defects, but when I do, I fix them with non-physical software updates.