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Google's CEO faces employee questions about layoffs

82 points by luu 3y ago

reacharavindh 3y ago
“AI is going to fill the web with garbage. How are we going to deal with that? “ Is an excellent question. I genuinely worry about that. Several years ago, if you’re good at searching by keywords you can sift through low quality content and get to the reasonable sources easily. Then came the SEO spam. Blogs and articles that repeated content to appease the bots, but annoyed the users searching for content. Now, AI is going to put it on steroids. We are going to have LLMs search the web for us and eliminate results that look like they were generated by LLMs. What a pity state of the internet that will be.
- wildrhythms 3y ago
  Wait until these LLMs start eating the garbage they output; training themselves on their own hallucinations. I think soon people will be seeking out verified human-created, human-curated content.
  - krapp 3y ago
    That's already happening, and people already do. However, until it's proven that using LLMs to create content isn't categorically more profitable than using humans (which can be the case when the product is inferior, depending on the margins) then it isn't going to matter what people want. If 90% of the market is shit, people will learn to like the taste of shit.
    - __loam 3y ago
      I think a lot of people on this site seriously misunderstand the attention economy. Quality matters more and productivity matters less than people think.
  - krsrhe 3y ago
    Why? Humans aren’t seeking out quality content now, when most popular content is spam advertising, rage bait, and propaganda.
    - __loam 3y ago
      Is that actually true?
  - achow 3y ago
    > I think soon people will be seeking out verified human-created, human-curated content. For this humans should be willing to pay another human for their efforts. Which history has shown would be tough.
    - Workaccount2 3y ago
      We could use things like banner ads and side column videos to fill the gap!
    - theGnuMe 3y ago
      I pay for books and music so..?
      - lazide 3y ago
        How will you tell which ones are made by real humans, and which ones are AI generated? And regardless, which have real content when the reviews and ads are also generated?
        whynotmaybe 3y ago
        I think we should collectively lower our quality standards and accept grammatical errors in books. As human are fallible, a mistake in a book would show that it's "human made". Or start a "no ai used" certification process like for organic vegetables?
        lazide 3y ago
        ChatGPT type AI will (and does) happily make spelling and grammar mistakes if it makes the output more believable. It’s a believable-it’s-human output generator, not an actually-true output generator. Historically, the two have been strongly correlated - but that connection has been weakening more and more over time, as the correlation is dependent on the actual knowledge level and ability to apply critical thinking to judge it. It’s going to be the world’s best liar if it can be. Even if that means mostly telling the truth most of the time. And considering ’organic’ certification allows a large whitelist of pesticides….
- jasonvorhe 3y ago
  Google is obviously run by the CFO nowadays, based on the company's behavior of the last few years. Google search quality is no longer a priority as long as ~90% of people are using it anyways since it's their devices default search engine and the requirements for search are basically "show me some news, a recipe, pictures of a travel location, where to find a product and perhaps a product review before I purchase".
  - izacus 3y ago
    Didn't said CFO just quit though? :)
    - disqard 3y ago
      They became president. I would not be surprised if they replaced the current CEO within the next 3 years.
- nunez 3y ago
  I don't know how Kagi does it, but it behaves exactly like old Google did before it got SEO-ed and now AI-ed to death. High quality search results, extremely user-oriented, and they treat every bug report seriously. It is absolutely fantastic and well worth the money.
Ancalagon 3y ago
Why are Mr. Pichai’s answers such a nothing sandwich? Layoffs and times of change despite record profits?
- 972811 3y ago
  he has nothing to say. his strategy has been to keep riding the gravy train for years. now the growth is slowing and he can see the core search business will be under attack and there is no answer. he'll essentially coast for the next 5 years. play politician, take few risks, "streamline operations" and fire a bunch of people, then walk off into the sunset. what is their future? cloud is still very small and has really difficult competition, youtube has challenging competition and isn't super profitable, maps/search/mail/docs/drive all feel quite stale. what's next?
  - __loam 3y ago
    How about nationalization?
    - DANmode 3y ago
      That would make taking/receiving mass data from them more unconstitutional than just buying it.
allthecybers 3y ago
> These days, questions for TGIF are pre-submitted and voted on. As Google has grown into a leaky behemoth, employees tell me these meetings have come to feel so scripted and benign that they no longer bother attending. I enjoyed this excerpt from the article. This is why I never attend all hands meetings anymore. Even at the peak of the layoffs and return to office turmoil, the all hands were held like nothing is happening. Employees show up to get answers, but instead it’s a panel about how awesome a particular leader is and their work on some nonsensical app. I don’t miss out on anything by not going and get a few hours back every month. Win, win.
- nunez 3y ago
  Working at Google wasn't a great experience (my time there was very short), but being able to ask Larry, Sergei and the rest of the SL team hard-hitting questions and get answers back was extremely cool. It's a shame that it turned into just another corporate all-hands.
bminor13 3y ago
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sea-gold 3y ago
https://archive.ph/gjhHA https://archive.ph/gjhHA
__loam 3y ago
"Mr. Hatchetman, why did you ax those people?"
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82 points by luu 3y ago

“AI is going to fill the web with garbage. How are we going to deal with that? “ Is an excellent question. I genuinely worry about that. Several years ago, if you’re good at searching by keywords you can sift through low quality content and get to the reasonable sources easily. Then came the SEO spam. Blogs and articles that repeated content to appease the bots, but annoyed the users searching for content. Now, AI is going to put it on steroids. We are going to have LLMs search the web for us and eliminate results that look like they were generated by LLMs. What a pity state of the internet that will be.

wildrhythms 3y ago
Wait until these LLMs start eating the garbage they output; training themselves on their own hallucinations. I think soon people will be seeking out verified human-created, human-curated content.
- krapp 3y ago
  That's already happening, and people already do. However, until it's proven that using LLMs to create content isn't categorically more profitable than using humans (which can be the case when the product is inferior, depending on the margins) then it isn't going to matter what people want. If 90% of the market is shit, people will learn to like the taste of shit.
  - __loam 3y ago
    I think a lot of people on this site seriously misunderstand the attention economy. Quality matters more and productivity matters less than people think.
- krsrhe 3y ago
  Why? Humans aren’t seeking out quality content now, when most popular content is spam advertising, rage bait, and propaganda.
  - __loam 3y ago
    Is that actually true?
- achow 3y ago
  > I think soon people will be seeking out verified human-created, human-curated content. For this humans should be willing to pay another human for their efforts. Which history has shown would be tough.
  - Workaccount2 3y ago
    We could use things like banner ads and side column videos to fill the gap!
  - theGnuMe 3y ago
    I pay for books and music so..?
    - lazide 3y ago
      How will you tell which ones are made by real humans, and which ones are AI generated? And regardless, which have real content when the reviews and ads are also generated?
      - whynotmaybe 3y ago
        I think we should collectively lower our quality standards and accept grammatical errors in books. As human are fallible, a mistake in a book would show that it's "human made". Or start a "no ai used" certification process like for organic vegetables?
        lazide 3y ago
        ChatGPT type AI will (and does) happily make spelling and grammar mistakes if it makes the output more believable. It’s a believable-it’s-human output generator, not an actually-true output generator. Historically, the two have been strongly correlated - but that connection has been weakening more and more over time, as the correlation is dependent on the actual knowledge level and ability to apply critical thinking to judge it. It’s going to be the world’s best liar if it can be. Even if that means mostly telling the truth most of the time. And considering ’organic’ certification allows a large whitelist of pesticides….
jasonvorhe 3y ago
Google is obviously run by the CFO nowadays, based on the company's behavior of the last few years. Google search quality is no longer a priority as long as ~90% of people are using it anyways since it's their devices default search engine and the requirements for search are basically "show me some news, a recipe, pictures of a travel location, where to find a product and perhaps a product review before I purchase".
- izacus 3y ago
  Didn't said CFO just quit though? :)
  - disqard 3y ago
    They became president. I would not be surprised if they replaced the current CEO within the next 3 years.
nunez 3y ago
I don't know how Kagi does it, but it behaves exactly like old Google did before it got SEO-ed and now AI-ed to death. High quality search results, extremely user-oriented, and they treat every bug report seriously. It is absolutely fantastic and well worth the money.

Ancalagon 3y ago

Why are Mr. Pichai’s answers such a nothing sandwich? Layoffs and times of change despite record profits?

972811 3y ago
he has nothing to say. his strategy has been to keep riding the gravy train for years. now the growth is slowing and he can see the core search business will be under attack and there is no answer. he'll essentially coast for the next 5 years. play politician, take few risks, "streamline operations" and fire a bunch of people, then walk off into the sunset. what is their future? cloud is still very small and has really difficult competition, youtube has challenging competition and isn't super profitable, maps/search/mail/docs/drive all feel quite stale. what's next?
- __loam 3y ago
  How about nationalization?
  - DANmode 3y ago
    That would make taking/receiving mass data from them more unconstitutional than just buying it.

allthecybers 3y ago

> These days, questions for TGIF are pre-submitted and voted on. As Google has grown into a leaky behemoth, employees tell me these meetings have come to feel so scripted and benign that they no longer bother attending. I enjoyed this excerpt from the article. This is why I never attend all hands meetings anymore. Even at the peak of the layoffs and return to office turmoil, the all hands were held like nothing is happening. Employees show up to get answers, but instead it’s a panel about how awesome a particular leader is and their work on some nonsensical app. I don’t miss out on anything by not going and get a few hours back every month. Win, win.

nunez 3y ago
Working at Google wasn't a great experience (my time there was very short), but being able to ask Larry, Sergei and the rest of the SL team hard-hitting questions and get answers back was extremely cool. It's a shame that it turned into just another corporate all-hands.

bminor13 3y ago

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sea-gold 3y ago

https://archive.ph/gjhHA https://archive.ph/gjhHA

__loam 3y ago

"Mr. Hatchetman, why did you ax those people?"

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