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Specifically, this is how it works. Are Elon’s rocket and car company infringing on your well-being? What about the pensioners holding Tesla shares? Are they s

Specifically, this is how it works. Are Elon’s rocket and car company infringing on your well-being? What about the pensioners holding Tesla shares? Are they stifling your ability to come up with some funds for the public good?

wolverine876 3y ago
They infringe if they don't pay their share of what is needed to provide for the common welfare, defense, etc.
- Jensson 3y ago
  They are paying their share, for every worker they pay the appropriate taxes on the wages and those taxes are there to provide the common welfare, defense etc. since they pay their workers quite a lot they probably pay more than needed, so not sure why you would single them out, many companies pay much less like Walmart etc, they pay so much lower salaries so therefore contribute way less taxes per person they need to work there, complain about those first.
  - wolverine876 3y ago
    Why is that amount their share, and not more or less? Corporate taxes are pretty low, and also capital gains, so I tend to think it is much less. Oh, I forgot, poor victim Elon! The right-wingers pull out this rhetoric so consistently, it's a parody of itself every time. But now Elon Musk is a victim? Whose next? Trump?
- smsm42 3y ago
  It's not "their share", it's your fantasy of getting part of their money that you're trying to impose. None of that money is yours to decide the fate of it.
  - wolverine876 3y ago
    How do we pay for the enormous amount of common public goods, such as roads, a legal system, safety, security, education, health, NASA, etc etc, if we don't jointly pay for them? And if we jointly pay for them, don't each of us have a share to pay? (I think we both are in good faith. No need to imply I'm a thief or oppressor.)
    - smsm42 3y ago
      That's a separate question. The fact that you want to do something doesn't make you automatically the owner of somebody's else money. You can't just say "I want to do X therefor it's fair that Elon Musk will pay for it, and if he doesn't, he is evil and must be jailed". There's nothing "fair" in this. It's not what "fair" means or ever meant. Especially given that Elon Musk is already paying for so much - and still you think it's "not fair" he doesn't pay more, with the sole foundation for this being that you want more. > And if we jointly pay for them, don't each of us have a share to pay? Yes, but despite them paying orders of magnitude more than you do, you still complain they don't pay their "fair share", the definition of "fair" being based solely on the fact that you want them to pay more. I don't see any justification for claiming this has anything to do with "fair".
      - wolverine876 3y ago
        > The fact that you want to do something doesn't make you automatically the owner of somebody's else money. That's exactly what I was thinking. I am the owner of your money, in fact. Hand it over. Post your BTC here (nobody else touch it, it's mine). > "I want to do X therefor it's fair that Elon Musk will pay for it, and if he doesn't, he is evil and must be jailed" We are equal under the law and we all should pay for it, nobody treated differently. > the definition of "fair" being based solely on the fact that you want them to pay more. When did I tell you what my basis was? The image of Musk whining 'it's not fair' like a 6 year old is pretty incredible, but in fairness to Musk, someone else is doing it. But for reasons unknown - why are you advocating for this complete stranger?
        3y ago

wolverine876 3y ago

They infringe if they don't pay their share of what is needed to provide for the common welfare, defense, etc.

Jensson 3y ago
They are paying their share, for every worker they pay the appropriate taxes on the wages and those taxes are there to provide the common welfare, defense etc. since they pay their workers quite a lot they probably pay more than needed, so not sure why you would single them out, many companies pay much less like Walmart etc, they pay so much lower salaries so therefore contribute way less taxes per person they need to work there, complain about those first.
- wolverine876 3y ago
  Why is that amount their share, and not more or less? Corporate taxes are pretty low, and also capital gains, so I tend to think it is much less. Oh, I forgot, poor victim Elon! The right-wingers pull out this rhetoric so consistently, it's a parody of itself every time. But now Elon Musk is a victim? Whose next? Trump?
smsm42 3y ago
It's not "their share", it's your fantasy of getting part of their money that you're trying to impose. None of that money is yours to decide the fate of it.
- wolverine876 3y ago
  How do we pay for the enormous amount of common public goods, such as roads, a legal system, safety, security, education, health, NASA, etc etc, if we don't jointly pay for them? And if we jointly pay for them, don't each of us have a share to pay? (I think we both are in good faith. No need to imply I'm a thief or oppressor.)
  - smsm42 3y ago
    That's a separate question. The fact that you want to do something doesn't make you automatically the owner of somebody's else money. You can't just say "I want to do X therefor it's fair that Elon Musk will pay for it, and if he doesn't, he is evil and must be jailed". There's nothing "fair" in this. It's not what "fair" means or ever meant. Especially given that Elon Musk is already paying for so much - and still you think it's "not fair" he doesn't pay more, with the sole foundation for this being that you want more. > And if we jointly pay for them, don't each of us have a share to pay? Yes, but despite them paying orders of magnitude more than you do, you still complain they don't pay their "fair share", the definition of "fair" being based solely on the fact that you want them to pay more. I don't see any justification for claiming this has anything to do with "fair".
    - wolverine876 3y ago
      > The fact that you want to do something doesn't make you automatically the owner of somebody's else money. That's exactly what I was thinking. I am the owner of your money, in fact. Hand it over. Post your BTC here (nobody else touch it, it's mine). > "I want to do X therefor it's fair that Elon Musk will pay for it, and if he doesn't, he is evil and must be jailed" We are equal under the law and we all should pay for it, nobody treated differently. > the definition of "fair" being based solely on the fact that you want them to pay more. When did I tell you what my basis was? The image of Musk whining 'it's not fair' like a 6 year old is pretty incredible, but in fairness to Musk, someone else is doing it. But for reasons unknown - why are you advocating for this complete stranger?
      - 3y ago