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Dang explained it was a mod error: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39182625 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39182625, which links to https://news.ycom

by mkl 3y ago

Dang explained it was a mod error: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39182625 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39182625, which links to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39170137 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39170137 huppeldepup's comment in the screenshot is collapsed on p2 of the comments (after it was no longer relevant) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39157010&p=2 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39157010&p=2, and is also accessible as the parent of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39170137 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39170137.

paulcole 3y ago
What did you think he was going to say? Explain that it was in fact a big HN conspiracy? I mean yeah it probably was just a mistake but what do you expect somebody to say?
- mkl 3y ago
  I expected a matter-of-fact explanation of a simple error, and a comment thread that was collapsed - exactly what I found. reductum implied there wasn't an explanation and that the complaining comment thread had been deleted without comment, both of which were hard to believe, so I went looking.
- dang 3y ago
  You just need to move your game theory to a different level. The expected value of lying about such things is super negative and the expected value of telling the truth is super positive. I'm sure there's a model in which lying some of the time but not too often has marginally higher expected value, but it's also going to have significantly higher risk and that's not worth it, plus you have to be disciplined enough to actually apply such a strategy. One slip and you're dead! I'm too lazy for that.
  - paulcole 3y ago
    My point is obviously that you’d tell a lie that looks like the truth people want to believe. Which when you get away with it is the biggest EV of all.
    - dang 3y ago
      Not once you control for risk, though. "When you get away with it" is a big assumption.
      - paulcole 3y ago
        You could 100% edit any post you want here and replace it with a link to a funny YouTube video and call it a fat-finger typo and get away with it. There’s no risk for you (as long as you don’t try it too often).
        dang 3y ago
        That would be reckless. We must estimate risk differently. Btw the more accurate reason why we don't do things like that is that we don't want to because it would feel bad. It's not who we want to be. However, the actual reason doesn't always have much persuasive power and when I'm sensing that's the case, I use the cynical argument ("not in our interests", basically), because it's also true. But as the cynical argument isn't persuading you, maybe I should switch back!
        paulcole 3y ago
        I mean I’m confident we have 100% different views for “who we want to be.” This site is a marketing campaign for a VC company. If you see it the same way, I’d be shocked.
        dang 3y ago
        YC's a business and operates HN in the end for business reasons*. I don't have a problem with calling that marketing, but I'm puzzled why you bring that up in this context. * https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=yc%20business%20interests%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...

by mkl 3y ago

paulcole 3y ago

What did you think he was going to say? Explain that it was in fact a big HN conspiracy? I mean yeah it probably was just a mistake but what do you expect somebody to say?

mkl 3y ago
I expected a matter-of-fact explanation of a simple error, and a comment thread that was collapsed - exactly what I found. reductum implied there wasn't an explanation and that the complaining comment thread had been deleted without comment, both of which were hard to believe, so I went looking.
dang 3y ago
You just need to move your game theory to a different level. The expected value of lying about such things is super negative and the expected value of telling the truth is super positive. I'm sure there's a model in which lying some of the time but not too often has marginally higher expected value, but it's also going to have significantly higher risk and that's not worth it, plus you have to be disciplined enough to actually apply such a strategy. One slip and you're dead! I'm too lazy for that.
- paulcole 3y ago
  My point is obviously that you’d tell a lie that looks like the truth people want to believe. Which when you get away with it is the biggest EV of all.
  - dang 3y ago
    Not once you control for risk, though. "When you get away with it" is a big assumption.
    - paulcole 3y ago
      You could 100% edit any post you want here and replace it with a link to a funny YouTube video and call it a fat-finger typo and get away with it. There’s no risk for you (as long as you don’t try it too often).
      - dang 3y ago
        That would be reckless. We must estimate risk differently. Btw the more accurate reason why we don't do things like that is that we don't want to because it would feel bad. It's not who we want to be. However, the actual reason doesn't always have much persuasive power and when I'm sensing that's the case, I use the cynical argument ("not in our interests", basically), because it's also true. But as the cynical argument isn't persuading you, maybe I should switch back!
        paulcole 3y ago
        I mean I’m confident we have 100% different views for “who we want to be.” This site is a marketing campaign for a VC company. If you see it the same way, I’d be shocked.
        dang 3y ago
        YC's a business and operates HN in the end for business reasons*. I don't have a problem with calling that marketing, but I'm puzzled why you bring that up in this context. * https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=yc%20business%20interests%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...