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> its usually just a notch above their own (well within their social class status). I'm a tech worker in the public sector. To be blunt: tax me more, please.

smsm42 3y ago
I'll make you a deal in which both of us come ahead - pay my taxes for this year. I'll even go for federal only. If you're in, I can accept venmo, cash, btc or anything commonly accepted. Think about it - you get less money, as you wanted, the money go to the taxman, as you wanted, and I get a little bit for helping you. Unless, of course, you, as usual, meant that it's me that is going to be taxed more? While you are already getting paid from my money? Another way would be to ask for pay reduction. Same effect on the public money, much less friction and transactional expenses. I'm sure your boss can find a way to make it happen.
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JackFr 3y ago
Ok, big talker, step up: Gifts to the United States U.S. Department of the Treasury Reporting and Analysis Branch 2 P.O. Box 1328 Parkersburg, WV 26106-1328
- kagakuninja 3y ago
  That's not how it works. Get Elon and friends to donate half his wealth and then we can talk. Progressive taxation is a good idea...
  - the_optimist 3y ago
    Specifically, this is how it works. Are Elon’s rocket and car company infringing on your well-being? What about the pensioners holding Tesla shares? Are they stifling your ability to come up with some funds for the public good?
    - wolverine876 3y ago
      They infringe if they don't pay their share of what is needed to provide for the common welfare, defense, etc.
      - Jensson 3y ago
        They are paying their share, for every worker they pay the appropriate taxes on the wages and those taxes are there to provide the common welfare, defense etc. since they pay their workers quite a lot they probably pay more than needed, so not sure why you would single them out, many companies pay much less like Walmart etc, they pay so much lower salaries so therefore contribute way less taxes per person they need to work there, complain about those first.
        wolverine876 3y ago
        Why is that amount their share, and not more or less? Corporate taxes are pretty low, and also capital gains, so I tend to think it is much less. Oh, I forgot, poor victim Elon! The right-wingers pull out this rhetoric so consistently, it's a parody of itself every time. But now Elon Musk is a victim? Whose next? Trump?
      - smsm42 3y ago
        It's not "their share", it's your fantasy of getting part of their money that you're trying to impose. None of that money is yours to decide the fate of it.
        wolverine876 3y ago
        How do we pay for the enormous amount of common public goods, such as roads, a legal system, safety, security, education, health, NASA, etc etc, if we don't jointly pay for them? And if we jointly pay for them, don't each of us have a share to pay? (I think we both are in good faith. No need to imply I'm a thief or oppressor.)
        3y ago
  - JackFr 3y ago
    GP said “tax me more.” Nothing is stopping him from paying more. What he really means is tax me (and certain others I deem appropriate) more.
askafriend 3y ago
Nobody is stopping you from contributing more. In fact, contributions to charity are tax exempt. But if you want to contribute more to the government directly, others here have pointed you to some good resources.
- asadotzler 3y ago
  The individual wants his class to be taxed. Telling the individual they can simply pay more does nothing for everyone else in the class. Your reply is unserious.
  - NegativeK 3y ago
    The entire discussion seems to have veered into the unserious.
  - kagakuninja 3y ago
    Not only do I want everyone in my "class" to contribute more to society, everyone significantly above me should be contributing a larger share. This is the basis of progressive taxation.
    - u32480932048 3y ago
      Begging for a tax increase as a proxy for societal contribution is something else. I work 60 hours a week and volunteer for 20 more. Not only do I want everyone in my "class" to contribute at least as much as I do, I want them to actually contribute something, not just voidposting about how they have too much money and wish the government would take more of it.
    - gottorf 3y ago
      If we're just airing what we think about taxation, I think people with low incomes should pay more than they do currently in taxes, so that everyone feels like they have skin in the game. People generally don't take as much care of something that was dropped in their laps as something that they had to work hard for. Currently, over half of all federal personal income tax collected is paid by under 5% of taxpayers, and the bottom 50% of income earners as a whole pay under 3% of all federal income tax collected.

smsm42 3y ago

I'll make you a deal in which both of us come ahead - pay my taxes for this year. I'll even go for federal only. If you're in, I can accept venmo, cash, btc or anything commonly accepted. Think about it - you get less money, as you wanted, the money go to the taxman, as you wanted, and I get a little bit for helping you. Unless, of course, you, as usual, meant that it's me that is going to be taxed more? While you are already getting paid from my money? Another way would be to ask for pay reduction. Same effect on the public money, much less friction and transactional expenses. I'm sure your boss can find a way to make it happen.

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JackFr 3y ago

Ok, big talker, step up: Gifts to the United States U.S. Department of the Treasury Reporting and Analysis Branch 2 P.O. Box 1328 Parkersburg, WV 26106-1328

kagakuninja 3y ago
That's not how it works. Get Elon and friends to donate half his wealth and then we can talk. Progressive taxation is a good idea...
- the_optimist 3y ago
  Specifically, this is how it works. Are Elon’s rocket and car company infringing on your well-being? What about the pensioners holding Tesla shares? Are they stifling your ability to come up with some funds for the public good?
  - wolverine876 3y ago
    They infringe if they don't pay their share of what is needed to provide for the common welfare, defense, etc.
    - Jensson 3y ago
      They are paying their share, for every worker they pay the appropriate taxes on the wages and those taxes are there to provide the common welfare, defense etc. since they pay their workers quite a lot they probably pay more than needed, so not sure why you would single them out, many companies pay much less like Walmart etc, they pay so much lower salaries so therefore contribute way less taxes per person they need to work there, complain about those first.
      - wolverine876 3y ago
        Why is that amount their share, and not more or less? Corporate taxes are pretty low, and also capital gains, so I tend to think it is much less. Oh, I forgot, poor victim Elon! The right-wingers pull out this rhetoric so consistently, it's a parody of itself every time. But now Elon Musk is a victim? Whose next? Trump?
    - smsm42 3y ago
      It's not "their share", it's your fantasy of getting part of their money that you're trying to impose. None of that money is yours to decide the fate of it.
      - wolverine876 3y ago
        How do we pay for the enormous amount of common public goods, such as roads, a legal system, safety, security, education, health, NASA, etc etc, if we don't jointly pay for them? And if we jointly pay for them, don't each of us have a share to pay? (I think we both are in good faith. No need to imply I'm a thief or oppressor.)
        3y ago
- JackFr 3y ago
  GP said “tax me more.” Nothing is stopping him from paying more. What he really means is tax me (and certain others I deem appropriate) more.

askafriend 3y ago

Nobody is stopping you from contributing more. In fact, contributions to charity are tax exempt. But if you want to contribute more to the government directly, others here have pointed you to some good resources.

asadotzler 3y ago
The individual wants his class to be taxed. Telling the individual they can simply pay more does nothing for everyone else in the class. Your reply is unserious.
- NegativeK 3y ago
  The entire discussion seems to have veered into the unserious.
- kagakuninja 3y ago
  Not only do I want everyone in my "class" to contribute more to society, everyone significantly above me should be contributing a larger share. This is the basis of progressive taxation.
  - u32480932048 3y ago
    Begging for a tax increase as a proxy for societal contribution is something else. I work 60 hours a week and volunteer for 20 more. Not only do I want everyone in my "class" to contribute at least as much as I do, I want them to actually contribute something, not just voidposting about how they have too much money and wish the government would take more of it.
  - gottorf 3y ago
    If we're just airing what we think about taxation, I think people with low incomes should pay more than they do currently in taxes, so that everyone feels like they have skin in the game. People generally don't take as much care of something that was dropped in their laps as something that they had to work hard for. Currently, over half of all federal personal income tax collected is paid by under 5% of taxpayers, and the bottom 50% of income earners as a whole pay under 3% of all federal income tax collected.