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I mean… American young men are increasingly failing in education and getting poorer and more mentally ill. It doesn’t seem like a hard sell to me.

nequo 3y ago
We nearly all are. That’s not specific to white American men.
- hajile 3y ago
  70% of US suicides in 2021 were white males and most of them were young. If those problems weren’t so specific to them, then why is that rate so high?
  - netsharc 3y ago
    Maybe it has something to do with the fact that about 60% of the country is white? [Source: 1, 57.84% white in 2020] Well, look at me at Friday night researching suicide numbers, thanks in part because you didn't cite your sources. The graph after the map of the country in this article[2] shows absolute rates and per race rate, yeah white people have the tallest absolute rate, but damn, 28% suicide rate for American Indian or Alaska Native, vs. 17% for White. But gotta love white people seeing the march of equality/everyone facing a shitty situation with a pandemic, and thinking they're the ones being targetted. Perception vs reality. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States#Race_and_ethnicity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_Sta... [2] https://usafacts.org/articles/how-is-the-suicide-rate-changing-in-the-us/ https://usafacts.org/articles/how-is-the-suicide-rate-changi...
    - hajile 3y ago
      70% of suicides are white AND male. While white people are 58% of the country, males are only HALF of that number. Put another way, 70% of all suicides are committed by just 29% of the population. 28 per 100k is nowhere near 28% (it's 0.028% per year). White and American Indian suicide rates track each other pretty closely until the mid 00s where both continue to increase, but American Indians pull ahead (also indicating a major problem in our American Indian community). In any case, rates for white men in 2021 was 35.7 per 100k beating out American Indians overall (but still slightly shy of American Indian Men at 41.3 per 100k). Comparing to overall suicide rates for other races (the other breakdown in the article you provided), we have 6.8 for Asians, 8.7 for Blacks, 12.6 for Pacific Islanders, 9.7 for multi-racial, and 7.9 for hispanics. Put another way, overall white suicide rates are DOUBLE that of blacks, hispanics, asians, and almost double that of multi-racial people. White men have a suicide rate more than FOUR TIMES that of the overall rates for these groups. Maybe you should set aside your own preconceived biases and realize that the reality doesn't match up to your perception. The fact is that most white people aren't privileged. They live in poor, broken-down places while working low-wage jobs and have nothing to show for it -- just the same as any other group of people. The fact that you and I are on Hacker News debating this shows that we have been way more blessed that we probably deserve.
      - netsharc 3y ago
        Thanks for correcting the magnitudes - not 28% or 17% - but the ratios work. Still, there's no citation for your figure for white males in particular. > White men have a suicide rate more than FOUR TIMES that of the overall rates for these groups. Huh? Show the math if you please? > They live in poor, broken-down places while working low-wage jobs and have nothing to show for it -- just the same as any other group of people. We are in agreement.. so why is it that the white men are turning extremist and listening to Joe Rogan? It seems like it's not even the same set of white men, the followers of Joe Rogan/other "toxic" male figures probably come from more privileged backgrounds.
        mlrtime 3y ago
        Ironically it is people like you pushing white men further right. Categorizing an entire race/sex as "privileged" when you have no idea about them is not going to win readers to your comments. This isn't my theory, it has been talked about here and on mainstream news channels.
        hajile 3y ago
        The figure I cited per-100k for white males (just a subset, not actually all white males) was right there in the article YOU posted.

nequo 3y ago

We nearly all are. That’s not specific to white American men.

hajile 3y ago
70% of US suicides in 2021 were white males and most of them were young. If those problems weren’t so specific to them, then why is that rate so high?
- netsharc 3y ago
  Maybe it has something to do with the fact that about 60% of the country is white? [Source: 1, 57.84% white in 2020] Well, look at me at Friday night researching suicide numbers, thanks in part because you didn't cite your sources. The graph after the map of the country in this article[2] shows absolute rates and per race rate, yeah white people have the tallest absolute rate, but damn, 28% suicide rate for American Indian or Alaska Native, vs. 17% for White. But gotta love white people seeing the march of equality/everyone facing a shitty situation with a pandemic, and thinking they're the ones being targetted. Perception vs reality. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States#Race_and_ethnicity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_Sta... [2] https://usafacts.org/articles/how-is-the-suicide-rate-changing-in-the-us/ https://usafacts.org/articles/how-is-the-suicide-rate-changi...
  - hajile 3y ago
    70% of suicides are white AND male. While white people are 58% of the country, males are only HALF of that number. Put another way, 70% of all suicides are committed by just 29% of the population. 28 per 100k is nowhere near 28% (it's 0.028% per year). White and American Indian suicide rates track each other pretty closely until the mid 00s where both continue to increase, but American Indians pull ahead (also indicating a major problem in our American Indian community). In any case, rates for white men in 2021 was 35.7 per 100k beating out American Indians overall (but still slightly shy of American Indian Men at 41.3 per 100k). Comparing to overall suicide rates for other races (the other breakdown in the article you provided), we have 6.8 for Asians, 8.7 for Blacks, 12.6 for Pacific Islanders, 9.7 for multi-racial, and 7.9 for hispanics. Put another way, overall white suicide rates are DOUBLE that of blacks, hispanics, asians, and almost double that of multi-racial people. White men have a suicide rate more than FOUR TIMES that of the overall rates for these groups. Maybe you should set aside your own preconceived biases and realize that the reality doesn't match up to your perception. The fact is that most white people aren't privileged. They live in poor, broken-down places while working low-wage jobs and have nothing to show for it -- just the same as any other group of people. The fact that you and I are on Hacker News debating this shows that we have been way more blessed that we probably deserve.
    - netsharc 3y ago
      Thanks for correcting the magnitudes - not 28% or 17% - but the ratios work. Still, there's no citation for your figure for white males in particular. > White men have a suicide rate more than FOUR TIMES that of the overall rates for these groups. Huh? Show the math if you please? > They live in poor, broken-down places while working low-wage jobs and have nothing to show for it -- just the same as any other group of people. We are in agreement.. so why is it that the white men are turning extremist and listening to Joe Rogan? It seems like it's not even the same set of white men, the followers of Joe Rogan/other "toxic" male figures probably come from more privileged backgrounds.
      - mlrtime 3y ago
        Ironically it is people like you pushing white men further right. Categorizing an entire race/sex as "privileged" when you have no idea about them is not going to win readers to your comments. This isn't my theory, it has been talked about here and on mainstream news channels.
      - hajile 3y ago
        The figure I cited per-100k for white males (just a subset, not actually all white males) was right there in the article YOU posted.