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I don't believe you have the full context and reading Wikipedia on the subject will yield a lot of surprises. USSR got the following bits and pieces after WWII
by thriftwy 3y ago
I don't believe you have the full context and reading Wikipedia on the subject will yield a lot of surprises.
USSR got the following bits and pieces after WWII:
* Kaliningrad, added to RSFSR
* West Ukraine, added to Ukrainian SSR
* Some ex-Polish lands added to Belorussian SSR (Poland get even more of better, ex-German lands though)
* Baltic states
* Tuva.
Of these, perhaps three Baltic republics were not happy about Afghanistan (and everything else), but they were quite small.
The rest of stuff, such as UkrSSR, BelSSR, Caucasus and Central Asian SSRs, were carved out of RSFSR (Russia) in the 1920's by the USSR, after being part of Russian Empire for a century or more. Most of them did not exist as a separate state previously, especially in the assigned borders. Some briefly existed, often as anarchist or German puppet states, between 1917 and 1921.
USSR did indeed gain control of various Eastern European countries such as Poland or Romania, but they were not part of USSR so they did not have to fight in Afghanistan.
The rest of stuff about nations and statehood opportunity is frankly bullshit. These ASSRs were also carved by USSR out of Russia, and almost universally have 40% to 80% of Russian population within them - the only separatist opportunity they have is to be a particularly poor reissue of Bosnia. People are not stupid and they understand that.
- genman 3y agoI can see who you are. This comment is sufficient. Is this enough context for you?
- thriftwy 3y ago[flagged]
- jnsaff2 3y agoYour comments come off similar to a slave owner bragging about how many slaves they got at various stages and complaining about how ungrateful those slaves were to you. Completely forgetting the slave aspect that comes with murder, deportations, rape, lack of self determination or any other human rights. russophobia in this case is merely the dislike to being invaded and murdered by russians.
- thriftwy 3y agoThe primary error in your reasoning is that you assume that I'm some kind of empowered slave holder. But that's not true. In fact, all of my ancestors that I know of are peasants, some of them serfdom peasants, most of them surely the Soviet XX century selfdom "kolkhoz peasants". So whatever the ethnic minorities there were in the Soviet Union and preceding Russian Empire, a) I don't owe them anything, b) I would suggest them to cry me a river, and c) I will be offended by any unfounded accusations towards Russians. As I have shown two answers below, my opponent cannot get his facts straight and is proud of it. Now, I don't know who are you and when you've checked your own privileges the last time. Maybe you had actual slave owners between your ancestors, and now spend time lecturing dumb Eastern Europeans how they should treat each other.
- jnsaff2 3y agoAshamed of nothing, offended by everything.
- thriftwy 3y agoMy ancestors were the literal serfs - what the heck do I need to be ashamed of? Imagine a Russian-speaking dude in Ulyanovsk in 1985 bring told he should be ashamed of his treatment of another Russian-speaking dude in Kharkov. And on what account? The latter one has more opportunities, lives in slightly better climate and has slightly higher consumption standards. And that's all folks. These discussions make no sense. Sticking to the facts do, though.
- jnsaff2 3y agoThat dude in Kharkiv is now being actively murdered by russians. His opportunities are being destroyed by russians. You can’t disclaim responsibility if you don’t feel ashamed of it. You also forget that at home he might speak some other language besides the empire mandated russian.
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