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Exactly, the front page is heavily moderated. Almost every day you'll see posts with 50+ upvotes falling of the front page within an hour or two when some artic

Exactly, the front page is heavily moderated. Almost every day you'll see posts with 50+ upvotes falling of the front page within an hour or two when some article about LISP with < 10 upvotes will remain here for a whole day. It's disingenuous to blame it on the users when there are clearly other "forces" at play here.

elpocko 3y ago
The "force" is actually one or two people. It's hard to prove and impossible to change. No one will believe you, either.
- coffeebeqn 3y ago
  If it works.. There are a billion forums with less stringent moderation. Moderation is a very large part that makes HN good and not so game-able like most sites
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- nkurz 3y ago
  Could you make your accusation more clearly? Are you saying it's 'dang' and 'pg'? One or two regular users abusing the flagging system? Or a couple dark and shadowy figures who have no public presence?
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  - elpocko 3y ago
    I don't mean to make accusations or invent "shadowy figures". HN has a very small number of moderators and their actions are not transparent, that's all.
    - nkurz 3y ago
      Thanks for clarifying. I think part of my confusion was that HN only has one moderator at this point. Also, I'd probably say "not always obvious" rather than "not transparent". While there is no public record of moderation, at least for me Dan has been excellent about answering questions when asked.
      - elpocko 3y ago
        Yes. I will use the words you want me to use, and not my own words. Thanks for helping me out.
        nkurz 3y ago
        I think you've misinterpreted my tone. I was not trying to tell you how to speak, but rather how I view the issue. You are welcome to share your own view.
coffeebeqn 3y ago
I’m sure the HN codebase has some secret creed to make lisp more popular
- dang 3y ago
  The code is written in Lisp, but it doesn't know that and has no way (edit: that I know of) to expand its empire.
dang 3y ago
Yes, HN is a moderated/curated site and always has been. Here's 10 years' worth of me explaining that: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20hn%20curated%20site&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... What people maybe don't realize is how many constraints there are on HN's system. There aren't many degrees of freedom for us to change things that wouldn't lead to a massively different site, and most of those outcomes would be worse, because most of them would be closer to internet default. It's easy imagine "HN, but without the things that I personally find annoying". But try to generalize that for a moment and the problem quickly becomes intractable.

elpocko 3y ago

The "force" is actually one or two people. It's hard to prove and impossible to change. No one will believe you, either.

coffeebeqn 3y ago
If it works.. There are a billion forums with less stringent moderation. Moderation is a very large part that makes HN good and not so game-able like most sites
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nkurz 3y ago
Could you make your accusation more clearly? Are you saying it's 'dang' and 'pg'? One or two regular users abusing the flagging system? Or a couple dark and shadowy figures who have no public presence?
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- elpocko 3y ago
  I don't mean to make accusations or invent "shadowy figures". HN has a very small number of moderators and their actions are not transparent, that's all.
  - nkurz 3y ago
    Thanks for clarifying. I think part of my confusion was that HN only has one moderator at this point. Also, I'd probably say "not always obvious" rather than "not transparent". While there is no public record of moderation, at least for me Dan has been excellent about answering questions when asked.
    - elpocko 3y ago
      Yes. I will use the words you want me to use, and not my own words. Thanks for helping me out.
      - nkurz 3y ago
        I think you've misinterpreted my tone. I was not trying to tell you how to speak, but rather how I view the issue. You are welcome to share your own view.

coffeebeqn 3y ago

I’m sure the HN codebase has some secret creed to make lisp more popular

dang 3y ago
The code is written in Lisp, but it doesn't know that and has no way (edit: that I know of) to expand its empire.

dang 3y ago

Yes, HN is a moderated/curated site and always has been. Here's 10 years' worth of me explaining that: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20hn%20curated%20site&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... What people maybe don't realize is how many constraints there are on HN's system. There aren't many degrees of freedom for us to change things that wouldn't lead to a massively different site, and most of those outcomes would be worse, because most of them would be closer to internet default. It's easy imagine "HN, but without the things that I personally find annoying". But try to generalize that for a moment and the problem quickly becomes intractable.