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I find Vista to be a huge step backwards. I know it's a bit of a sport to bash Vista, but there are loads of things that I don't like... In particular eyecandy

I find Vista to be a huge step backwards. I know it's a bit of a sport to bash Vista, but there are loads of things that I don't like... In particular eyecandy that has zero functional purpose. Admittedly, XP was reaching a good level of maturity.

SwellJoe 18y ago
I thought the Vista bashing was just "It's different and I don't like it!" kind of bashing that all new versions of software get...until I tried it. I built an HTPC with Vista Ultimate (which includes all the Media Center stuff), and I've been simply stunned by how bad the OS is. Simply horrible design decisions abound. For example, while watching a movie (using MS' own player, even...though their player doesn't support Blue Ray, you have to have a separate piece of software for that) any notifications in the bar will popup and interrupt the movie. Given that notifications have become a constant feature of the OS in the past few years (really, does a mouse driver need to have a popup to notify you of updates?!?!? apparently so...likewise Java, likewise Windows updates, even Steam, which I want to like, is a nuisance). Notifications are happening all the time, and they'll interrupt anything else you're doing. I've never liked the notification bar in Windows, and I've always hated how many pieces of software think they're important enough to be allowed to nag me constantly while using the machine (it's one of the reasons I would never used Windows on my desktop), but Vista seems to take it to a new and astonishingly horrible level. In the same vein, screensaver and power saving do not know when you're watching a movie...so, you pretty much have to turn them off, if the machine is for watching movies. In a different direction, the audio, network, and video drivers keep breaking. Not sure why or how, but every few boots I have to reinstall one or more of the drivers from the original disks (installing via Windows automatic detection and installation installs drivers that don't work), or from the manufacturers website. Also on that subject, audio will not work after changing the input on the TV--it uses HDMI for the audio connection, and some types of "off" events can never be recovered from (while others can...actually turning off the TV and turning it back on works fine...but switching inputs and then switching back breaks it). Shutting down is broken. How can that be? I have no clue. But, sometimes when the box is shut down, it reboots immediately after. Not always...but about 40% of the time. Sometimes it goes into a state where it can't be shutdown properly, and a hard power off is the only solution. While I have lots of other complaints about Windows, even when it's working exactly as intended, these things are just bone-headed and irritating, and can't possibly be considered right by anyone sane. I keep thinking the next Windows Update will solve one or more of these problems...but, so far, they're all still present. The audio thing was fixed for a while, but then it broken again. I hate mysterious behavior in computers perhaps even more than wrong behavior, so this just served to piss me off more.
- jwilliams 18y ago
  The ones that bother are me are things like the transparency on the window borders. It's transparent, but it blurs the background. It serves no purpose - if it was transparent and you could see though, I could guess there might be some practical application. OS X has a lot of eyecandy, some of which is totally useless, but a lot of it does have practical value (e.g. expose looks good and I use it all the time).
  - ivank 18y ago
    If you don't like it, why haven't you turned Aero off, or replaced the theme? Windows doesn't force you to live with any defaults.
  - niels_olson 18y ago
    please provide examples of totally useless eye candy in OS X.
    - neilc 18y ago
      The animation that happens when Expose is activated, the "Genie Effect" for minimizing windows, and the reflections of dock icons that show up when the dock is at the bottom of the screen are examples that come immediately to mind. (Arstechnica enumerated some of the UI regressions in their Leopard review.)
      - mamama 18y ago
        I feel Expose is quite counter-productive. The golden rule any developer must know: never use the mouse. Multiple desktops and Quicksilver (instead of the dock, which is quite distracting) are far more efficient.
        hbien 18y ago
        You can use Expose with your arrow keys instead of the mouse.
      - 18y ago
newt0311 18y ago
Thats why I like FVWM. I can tell it to get rid of all the tool-bars and window borders because I don't normally use a mouse and so all those things are utterly useless for me.

SwellJoe 18y ago

I thought the Vista bashing was just "It's different and I don't like it!" kind of bashing that all new versions of software get...until I tried it. I built an HTPC with Vista Ultimate (which includes all the Media Center stuff), and I've been simply stunned by how bad the OS is. Simply horrible design decisions abound. For example, while watching a movie (using MS' own player, even...though their player doesn't support Blue Ray, you have to have a separate piece of software for that) any notifications in the bar will popup and interrupt the movie. Given that notifications have become a constant feature of the OS in the past few years (really, does a mouse driver need to have a popup to notify you of updates?!?!? apparently so...likewise Java, likewise Windows updates, even Steam, which I want to like, is a nuisance). Notifications are happening all the time, and they'll interrupt anything else you're doing. I've never liked the notification bar in Windows, and I've always hated how many pieces of software think they're important enough to be allowed to nag me constantly while using the machine (it's one of the reasons I would never used Windows on my desktop), but Vista seems to take it to a new and astonishingly horrible level. In the same vein, screensaver and power saving do not know when you're watching a movie...so, you pretty much have to turn them off, if the machine is for watching movies. In a different direction, the audio, network, and video drivers keep breaking. Not sure why or how, but every few boots I have to reinstall one or more of the drivers from the original disks (installing via Windows automatic detection and installation installs drivers that don't work), or from the manufacturers website. Also on that subject, audio will not work after changing the input on the TV--it uses HDMI for the audio connection, and some types of "off" events can never be recovered from (while others can...actually turning off the TV and turning it back on works fine...but switching inputs and then switching back breaks it). Shutting down is broken. How can that be? I have no clue. But, sometimes when the box is shut down, it reboots immediately after. Not always...but about 40% of the time. Sometimes it goes into a state where it can't be shutdown properly, and a hard power off is the only solution. While I have lots of other complaints about Windows, even when it's working exactly as intended, these things are just bone-headed and irritating, and can't possibly be considered right by anyone sane. I keep thinking the next Windows Update will solve one or more of these problems...but, so far, they're all still present. The audio thing was fixed for a while, but then it broken again. I hate mysterious behavior in computers perhaps even more than wrong behavior, so this just served to piss me off more.

jwilliams 18y ago
The ones that bother are me are things like the transparency on the window borders. It's transparent, but it blurs the background. It serves no purpose - if it was transparent and you could see though, I could guess there might be some practical application. OS X has a lot of eyecandy, some of which is totally useless, but a lot of it does have practical value (e.g. expose looks good and I use it all the time).
- ivank 18y ago
  If you don't like it, why haven't you turned Aero off, or replaced the theme? Windows doesn't force you to live with any defaults.
- niels_olson 18y ago
  please provide examples of totally useless eye candy in OS X.
  - neilc 18y ago
    The animation that happens when Expose is activated, the "Genie Effect" for minimizing windows, and the reflections of dock icons that show up when the dock is at the bottom of the screen are examples that come immediately to mind. (Arstechnica enumerated some of the UI regressions in their Leopard review.)
    - mamama 18y ago
      I feel Expose is quite counter-productive. The golden rule any developer must know: never use the mouse. Multiple desktops and Quicksilver (instead of the dock, which is quite distracting) are far more efficient.
      - hbien 18y ago
        You can use Expose with your arrow keys instead of the mouse.
    - 18y ago

newt0311 18y ago

Thats why I like FVWM. I can tell it to get rid of all the tool-bars and window borders because I don't normally use a mouse and so all those things are utterly useless for me.