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I think you're probably generally correct, but "blaming the algorithm" sure smells to me like a whole lot of camouflage for censorship, which we ought to know b
by 23B1 3y ago
I think you're probably generally correct, but "blaming the algorithm" sure smells to me like a whole lot of camouflage for censorship, which we ought to know by now has as much to do with 'quality' as it does 'shaping the narrative'
Generally speaking HN is a good site and a case study in successful community moderation, but you have to wonder 'who's watching the watchers' these days as the Overton window on free speech continues to be narrowed, almost entirely at the behest of big tech.
- throwaway665544 3y agoThe simple solution would be to display a log of all removed/flagged/shadowbanned posts and comments, like Wikipedia does.
- nullindividual 3y agoEnable showdead in your profile if you want to see dead posts. You can't see deleted posts as the author deaded or asked HN to delete the post. See the HN FAQ [0]. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html
- tptacek 3y agoPreventing the site from being taken over by incessant meta debates is one of the moderation goals of the site. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=meta%20argument%20by%3Adang&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... (In many places there, obviously a lot of that is about Meta the company). Periodic threads like this one are, I think, allowed as a sort of escape valve for pent up meta energy. Emph. on "periodic". If you want a site that makes the opposite call here, Lobsters has a public mod log. You might like that system better!
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- 23B1 3y agoI don't care if its a right-wing talking point and I don't care if a company has given themselves permission to censor themselves. My interest is broadly about the attitudes towards speech as they continue to be shaped by corporations who continue to privatize the public square. See Taibbi's 'Twitter Files' for ample examples.
- nullindividual 3y agoUsers are privatizing the 'public square'. We come to HN by choice. I'm sure others use Twitter by choice. And users subject themselves to the TOS by choice. This is definitely one of those 'if you don't like it, build (or buy) it'. It has worked out disastrously in the conservative realm so far, but perhaps you have better ideas.
- 23B1 3y ago"If you don't like it, build your own" is another bad-faith lie told by those who love censorship culture.