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Good thing we are capable of reading beyond the headline. Recall once again is the correct word here. Every single time Tesla gets a recall (kinda often aint it

Good thing we are capable of reading beyond the headline. Recall once again is the correct word here. Every single time Tesla gets a recall (kinda often aint it?) there are people in HN comments who just want to fight over a word. There are federal safety standards and Tesla is not implementing them correctly, NHTSA issues a recall, full stop.

notact 3y ago
Regardless of what recall means today, in the past it meant a physical visit to the dealership. I believe there are many people (for example my mother) who would see the headline, not actually read the article, arrive at a mistaken conclusion that Tesla's must spend most of their time in the shop, and then spread that misinformation. So I agree, there should be a distinction between "Tesla owners required to visit a dealership" and "Tesla owners' cars receive updates while parked in their garage".
- nickthegreek 3y ago
  Tesla owners will receive information (as required by law) about the issue and resolution. I am sorry that your mom decides to spread misinformation about articles that she did not read. That doesn't sound like an issue that the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration should take into account.
gfosco 3y ago
Perhaps it's time to fight over words. The definition of recall no longer works, and I believe it is constantly used specifically negatively against Tesla. It has an effect on most people, who aren't savvy, who don't read beyond the headline. (i've not participated in these alleged battles before)
- nickthegreek 3y ago
  >The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) states that a safety recall is issued if either the manufacturer or the NHTSA determines that a vehicle or its equipment pose a safety risk or do not meet motor vehicle safety standards The NHTSA issues a recall. It is up to the car manufactures to implement a fix in whichever ways they want. Tesla even has their own page where they list these Recalls. Tesla has no problem with the word. Elon Musk, a noted individual that likes to say it like is, has not come out against the word either. https://www.tesla.com/support/annual-and-recall-service https://www.tesla.com/support/annual-and-recall-service How about instead of fighting the words, you fight the car companies that refuse to use their profits to correctly follow the established safety protocols.
- Veserv 3y ago
  You are right. People seem to think a recall means “taking it in to get fixed”. But, a recall actually means the product has a dangerous defect that requires the manufacturer to promptly fix it for free otherwise the vehicle must be removed from the road. To better explain this we should use the term “dangerous defect” instead of “recall”. “Teslas contain another dangerous defect - affecting 2.2 million vehicles” does sound more accurate.
  - peterisza 3y ago
    Porsche Taycans still have this "danGeRouS dEfEct" today, and Porsche doesn't fix them. Where's the article? Source: https://youtu.be/480yxR_kmIg?si=dThdJD2_QceCyF_E&t=161 https://youtu.be/480yxR_kmIg?si=dThdJD2_QceCyF_E&t=161 Dangerous defect my ass...
  - gfosco 3y ago
    You think a font being a few tenths of a millimeter off spec is a "dangerous defect" ? Let me guess... not a fan of Elon.
    - deely3 3y ago
      Yes. Unreadable font/icon is dangerous during driving.
      - peterisza 3y ago
        Many Ford, GM, Kia/Hyundai and Porsche cars on the road today have this exact same "dangerous" issue. Instead of recalling the cars, they filed an inconsequential non-compliance petition so that they don't have to fix it. Only Tesla could fix it. GM, Porsche, Kia/Hyundai and Ford couldn't. Their cars remain "dAngErOUs". Source: https://youtu.be/480yxR_kmIg?si=dThdJD2_QceCyF_E&t=161 https://youtu.be/480yxR_kmIg?si=dThdJD2_QceCyF_E&t=161
      - bryanlarsen 3y ago
        I'm not so sure it's a safety improvement, though. To make the text bigger, they got rid of the icon. https://twitter.com/greentheonly/status/1753249463311691839 https://twitter.com/greentheonly/status/1753249463311691839
belltaco 3y ago
> Good thing we are capable of reading beyond the headline People don't read articles on tech forums like this so frequently that RTFA is a common meme. > Every single time Tesla gets a recall (kinda often aint it?) there are people in HN comments who just want to fight over a word You only think it's often because the other ones don't get reported on HN, creating the false impression. > According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, Ford issued 55 safety recalls in 2023, down from 67 last year. The repair campaigns affected 5.9 million vehicles, down from 8.6 million in 2022, which put the automaker in second place for the total number of vehicles recalled. Honda’s 19 recalls affected 6.3 million cars. > Chrysler issued the second-highest number of recalls, at 45. Kia came in third for the total number of recalled cars, with more than 3 million affected by its 20 repair campaigns. https://www.kbb.com/car-news/in-2023-ford-again-led-nation-in-recalls/ https://www.kbb.com/car-news/in-2023-ford-again-led-nation-i... Anti EV publications like the NYP should definitely be called out for writing misleading headlines.
- nickthegreek 3y ago
  > You only think it's often because the other ones don't get reported on HN, creating the false impression. Tesla & Other car companies have way too many recalls. Someone else also failing does not negate the amount of recalls Tesla is doing or change the frequency at which they occur. I do agree that Tesla recalls gain wider internet spotlight. I believe that is largely due to Musk himself is attracted to the spotlight. I couldn’t name you the name of ceo of another car company, and tbh I think that is a good thing. It is widely known that scrutiny increases the more you of a public figure you are. Especially so if you are a divisive one. The headline is not misleading, it is accurate.

notact 3y ago

Regardless of what recall means today, in the past it meant a physical visit to the dealership. I believe there are many people (for example my mother) who would see the headline, not actually read the article, arrive at a mistaken conclusion that Tesla's must spend most of their time in the shop, and then spread that misinformation. So I agree, there should be a distinction between "Tesla owners required to visit a dealership" and "Tesla owners' cars receive updates while parked in their garage".

nickthegreek 3y ago
Tesla owners will receive information (as required by law) about the issue and resolution. I am sorry that your mom decides to spread misinformation about articles that she did not read. That doesn't sound like an issue that the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration should take into account.

gfosco 3y ago

Perhaps it's time to fight over words. The definition of recall no longer works, and I believe it is constantly used specifically negatively against Tesla. It has an effect on most people, who aren't savvy, who don't read beyond the headline. (i've not participated in these alleged battles before)

nickthegreek 3y ago
>The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) states that a safety recall is issued if either the manufacturer or the NHTSA determines that a vehicle or its equipment pose a safety risk or do not meet motor vehicle safety standards The NHTSA issues a recall. It is up to the car manufactures to implement a fix in whichever ways they want. Tesla even has their own page where they list these Recalls. Tesla has no problem with the word. Elon Musk, a noted individual that likes to say it like is, has not come out against the word either. https://www.tesla.com/support/annual-and-recall-service https://www.tesla.com/support/annual-and-recall-service How about instead of fighting the words, you fight the car companies that refuse to use their profits to correctly follow the established safety protocols.
Veserv 3y ago
You are right. People seem to think a recall means “taking it in to get fixed”. But, a recall actually means the product has a dangerous defect that requires the manufacturer to promptly fix it for free otherwise the vehicle must be removed from the road. To better explain this we should use the term “dangerous defect” instead of “recall”. “Teslas contain another dangerous defect - affecting 2.2 million vehicles” does sound more accurate.
- peterisza 3y ago
  Porsche Taycans still have this "danGeRouS dEfEct" today, and Porsche doesn't fix them. Where's the article? Source: https://youtu.be/480yxR_kmIg?si=dThdJD2_QceCyF_E&t=161 https://youtu.be/480yxR_kmIg?si=dThdJD2_QceCyF_E&t=161 Dangerous defect my ass...
- gfosco 3y ago
  You think a font being a few tenths of a millimeter off spec is a "dangerous defect" ? Let me guess... not a fan of Elon.
  - deely3 3y ago
    Yes. Unreadable font/icon is dangerous during driving.
    - peterisza 3y ago
      Many Ford, GM, Kia/Hyundai and Porsche cars on the road today have this exact same "dangerous" issue. Instead of recalling the cars, they filed an inconsequential non-compliance petition so that they don't have to fix it. Only Tesla could fix it. GM, Porsche, Kia/Hyundai and Ford couldn't. Their cars remain "dAngErOUs". Source: https://youtu.be/480yxR_kmIg?si=dThdJD2_QceCyF_E&t=161 https://youtu.be/480yxR_kmIg?si=dThdJD2_QceCyF_E&t=161
    - bryanlarsen 3y ago
      I'm not so sure it's a safety improvement, though. To make the text bigger, they got rid of the icon. https://twitter.com/greentheonly/status/1753249463311691839 https://twitter.com/greentheonly/status/1753249463311691839

belltaco 3y ago

> Good thing we are capable of reading beyond the headline People don't read articles on tech forums like this so frequently that RTFA is a common meme. > Every single time Tesla gets a recall (kinda often aint it?) there are people in HN comments who just want to fight over a word You only think it's often because the other ones don't get reported on HN, creating the false impression. > According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, Ford issued 55 safety recalls in 2023, down from 67 last year. The repair campaigns affected 5.9 million vehicles, down from 8.6 million in 2022, which put the automaker in second place for the total number of vehicles recalled. Honda’s 19 recalls affected 6.3 million cars. > Chrysler issued the second-highest number of recalls, at 45. Kia came in third for the total number of recalled cars, with more than 3 million affected by its 20 repair campaigns. https://www.kbb.com/car-news/in-2023-ford-again-led-nation-in-recalls/ https://www.kbb.com/car-news/in-2023-ford-again-led-nation-i... Anti EV publications like the NYP should definitely be called out for writing misleading headlines.

nickthegreek 3y ago
> You only think it's often because the other ones don't get reported on HN, creating the false impression. Tesla & Other car companies have way too many recalls. Someone else also failing does not negate the amount of recalls Tesla is doing or change the frequency at which they occur. I do agree that Tesla recalls gain wider internet spotlight. I believe that is largely due to Musk himself is attracted to the spotlight. I couldn’t name you the name of ceo of another car company, and tbh I think that is a good thing. It is widely known that scrutiny increases the more you of a public figure you are. Especially so if you are a divisive one. The headline is not misleading, it is accurate.