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> Not if you're on the opposite end of a shitty job market attempting to find any way to get a foot in. The market sucks, and cynicism is growing among all

> Not if you're on the opposite end of a shitty job market attempting to find any way to get a foot in. The market sucks, and cynicism is growing among all parties. What you say is interesting, because I am watching this "market" carefully as an educator. The disconnection you speak of is real and worrying. Each day we read stories about layoffs and talented people desperately seeking a job. Each day we read an equal number of stories about how tech firms cannot hire anyone. We hear of "massive skills shortage". In cybersecurity we have 50 jobs to fill for every candidate we can train. How is this mismatch possible? Someone, somewhere is lying. In Little Britain we have Dafydd Thomas (Matt Lucas) the controversial "Only gay in the village". The running joke is that his gaydar is so broken (because he is so insular) that he misses every chance. Guys are coming on to him all the time, but he can't see it [0]. That is "industry". It's so misunderstood, so delicate, and special, and hard-done-to. So called "industry", insofar as it's a collection of HR people with completely made up job-descriptions based on a drunken game of buzzword bingo, hasn't the first clue what it really wants. Likewise we have universities that churn out tepid, conformist graduates who nobody would ever want to employ. If they're lucky most of them have been taught by adjuncts and temps using materials that are 10 years out of date. If they're unlucky they were taught remotely by some Microsoft product, and would certainly have learned more from just picking up and reading the first chapter of any decent textbook. I'm talking about the UK now, but I'm sure the same disconnect applies to similar cultures. A dating game in which both parties are motivated to lie, is just round after round of disappointment. I wish you luck. My advice is steer clear of any company big enough to have an HR department. [0] https://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/littlebritain/characters/daffyd.shtml https://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/littlebritain/characters/daffyd...

samstave 3y ago
>universities that churn out tepid, conformist graduates who nobody would ever want to employ We call them MBA's in these here parts.
yellowapple 3y ago
> How is this mismatch possible? Someone, somewhere is lying. Yeah, and it's the fucking "employers". They put up fake job listings to look like they're "growing" (which makes investors happy) while they simultaneously lay off substantial fractions of their workforce for quick bumps in short-term profit (which makes investors happy). Who cares about human decency as long as "line goes up", right? Any "employer" claiming "nobody wants to work" or that there's a "skills shortage" can kindly and respectfully eat an entire bag of dicks. They're literally the problem. And before someone predictably complains that I'm breaking HN's civility rule: nothing about this socioeconomic system is "civil". It's indeed fundamentally uncivil to the core. I'm only responding to that lack of civility, and my remarks are a product of it, myself being a victim of it alongside countless others.
- nonrandomstring 3y ago
  You know that "be the change you want to see" thing. I hope you'll find a way to become the business-person and employer you'd like to work for, and set your own standards of civility. It can be done.
  - yellowapple 3y ago
    I'd love to be that change! I'm indeed putting some of the pieces together to that effect. The problem is around money; kinda hard to hire people without it - and I'd definitely want to hire someone good at sales, since I suck at it. But first I need to get something built for that person to sell in the first place :)

samstave 3y ago

>universities that churn out tepid, conformist graduates who nobody would ever want to employ We call them MBA's in these here parts.

yellowapple 3y ago

> How is this mismatch possible? Someone, somewhere is lying. Yeah, and it's the fucking "employers". They put up fake job listings to look like they're "growing" (which makes investors happy) while they simultaneously lay off substantial fractions of their workforce for quick bumps in short-term profit (which makes investors happy). Who cares about human decency as long as "line goes up", right? Any "employer" claiming "nobody wants to work" or that there's a "skills shortage" can kindly and respectfully eat an entire bag of dicks. They're literally the problem. And before someone predictably complains that I'm breaking HN's civility rule: nothing about this socioeconomic system is "civil". It's indeed fundamentally uncivil to the core. I'm only responding to that lack of civility, and my remarks are a product of it, myself being a victim of it alongside countless others.

nonrandomstring 3y ago
You know that "be the change you want to see" thing. I hope you'll find a way to become the business-person and employer you'd like to work for, and set your own standards of civility. It can be done.
- yellowapple 3y ago
  I'd love to be that change! I'm indeed putting some of the pieces together to that effect. The problem is around money; kinda hard to hire people without it - and I'd definitely want to hire someone good at sales, since I suck at it. But first I need to get something built for that person to sell in the first place :)