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This could entirely be fake PR BUT.... I think it is foolish to think only poorer countries have organized crime. I am not as familiar with Australia but organ

This could entirely be fake PR BUT.... I think it is foolish to think only poorer countries have organized crime. I am not as familiar with Australia but organized crime runs rampant in both the US and EU. It might just not be what you are expecting. Most developed regions of the world still have very strong organized crime outfits that run drugs, gambling and other illicit activities. It is just not obvious to the outside world. Even in the San Francisco Bay Area, massive triad organizations and businesses that most tech workers don't notice. From an EU angle I am thinking about Christy Kinahan family. Massive drug network for the EU region. Currently has a $5million reward for information, his son has the same. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christy_Kinahan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christy_Kinahan Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinahan_Organised_Crime_Group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinahan_Organised_Crime_Group - estimated wealth of up to a 1billion Euros. Just an estimate but I think it puts the bracket of profit for these kinds of groups. This surely exists within Australia and perhaps even more so with its close ties to Asia.

ganeshkrishnan 3y ago
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- piva00 3y ago
  You seem to be quite wrong [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organised_crime_in_Australia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organised_crime_in_Australia
  - EdwardDiego 3y ago
    To repeat myself, if you can, treat yourself to the majesty of Australian crime drama, Holdens, RSAs, and calling people a "dog", Underbelly. Melbourne gang wars season 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqvOIr08iuQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqvOIr08iuQ Each season is typically focused on a different area or different time or both. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underbelly_(TV_series)#Seasons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underbelly_(TV_series)#Seasons The season called Razor looks at the two women, a bootlegger, and a madam, who dominated the Sydney red light district in the 1920s, and had a rivalry that culminated in "the razor wars". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lPtPx_IqCg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lPtPx_IqCg
- maroonblazer 3y ago
  You're thinking of Singapore.
- jdietrich 3y ago
  It's OK to admit that you don't know anything about Australia. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/16/special-police-taskforce-established-to-tackle-escalating-gang-violence-in-nsw https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/16/speci...
- quadhome 3y ago
  Be real. Even the poster business is gang controlled in Melbourne. The territory is divided up between two companies, strictly enforced, by force, by bikies.
  - EdwardDiego 3y ago
    This sort of feels like a Nash equilibrium in the wild.
- infecto 3y ago
  Brazil has a higher GDP than Australia?
  - EdwardDiego 3y ago
    To be fair, GDP just means someone's making money there, doesn't mean it's staying in the economy. If we worked out something like unsanitary housing occupation rate per capita, I'd consider that a better measure of "wealthy country".
- busterarm 3y ago
  How do you think Australia has a thriving drug scene without organized crime when almost every neighboring country has the death penalty for drug smuggling?
- EdwardDiego 3y ago
  Have you ever been to Australia? Hell, at least treat yourself to the majesty of Australian crime drama, Holdens, RSAs, and calling people a "dog", Underbelly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqvOIr08iuQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqvOIr08iuQ In New Zealand, over the last say, 10ish years at a guess, we've had a gradual but continual increase in organised crime activity - and an escalation in violence. Because Australia started deporting non-citizens who had been jailed for 12 months+ (I think? Or, 12 months+, or could've been jailed for 5+ years or something, even if you weren't). And for historical "fun facts about Australia" racism-by-proxy reasons, very few Kiwis who've lived in Australia all their lives have been able to gain citizenship. So there's been numerous Australian criminals deported to NZ. Among them, Australian organised crime members. Around the same time NZ was getting into methamphetamine, a profitable and growing demand. And well, what do you when you're good at something that makes money, and you need money? So we have seen establishment of chapters of Australian bikie gangs that we never had here before, and they're expanding into areas someone already called dibs on. Deportees have also joined the existing gangs, and the Australian veterans bring two key things to the table - access to networks of suppliers with good product, who didn't bother with NZ before, an effective distribution network, and the ability to provide guns and the means to get them past the ports. The Aussies also brought Aussie gang culture - they were also a lot more shooty than the Kiwi gangs (although there were alway periodic flare-ups) and so when they starting shooting early in the argument, everyone else followed suit, now there's a lot of gang members being shot by gang members when previously might've been a stabbing or a good beating. But yeah, no organised crime in Aussie lol. Certainly not organised crime that has often in the past compromised state police forces. There's also certainly not cartels looking for local partners who want to get some cocaine sold in a historically sadly undersupplied market, nothing bad will happen here. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/dec/19/sydney-drug-raid-ryde-cocaine-arrests-alleged-kidnapping-plot https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/dec/19/sydne...

ganeshkrishnan 3y ago

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piva00 3y ago
You seem to be quite wrong [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organised_crime_in_Australia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organised_crime_in_Australia
- EdwardDiego 3y ago
  To repeat myself, if you can, treat yourself to the majesty of Australian crime drama, Holdens, RSAs, and calling people a "dog", Underbelly. Melbourne gang wars season 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqvOIr08iuQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqvOIr08iuQ Each season is typically focused on a different area or different time or both. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underbelly_(TV_series)#Seasons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underbelly_(TV_series)#Seasons The season called Razor looks at the two women, a bootlegger, and a madam, who dominated the Sydney red light district in the 1920s, and had a rivalry that culminated in "the razor wars". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lPtPx_IqCg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lPtPx_IqCg
maroonblazer 3y ago
You're thinking of Singapore.
jdietrich 3y ago
It's OK to admit that you don't know anything about Australia. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/16/special-police-taskforce-established-to-tackle-escalating-gang-violence-in-nsw https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/16/speci...
quadhome 3y ago
Be real. Even the poster business is gang controlled in Melbourne. The territory is divided up between two companies, strictly enforced, by force, by bikies.
- EdwardDiego 3y ago
  This sort of feels like a Nash equilibrium in the wild.
infecto 3y ago
Brazil has a higher GDP than Australia?
- EdwardDiego 3y ago
  To be fair, GDP just means someone's making money there, doesn't mean it's staying in the economy. If we worked out something like unsanitary housing occupation rate per capita, I'd consider that a better measure of "wealthy country".
busterarm 3y ago
How do you think Australia has a thriving drug scene without organized crime when almost every neighboring country has the death penalty for drug smuggling?
EdwardDiego 3y ago
Have you ever been to Australia? Hell, at least treat yourself to the majesty of Australian crime drama, Holdens, RSAs, and calling people a "dog", Underbelly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqvOIr08iuQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqvOIr08iuQ In New Zealand, over the last say, 10ish years at a guess, we've had a gradual but continual increase in organised crime activity - and an escalation in violence. Because Australia started deporting non-citizens who had been jailed for 12 months+ (I think? Or, 12 months+, or could've been jailed for 5+ years or something, even if you weren't). And for historical "fun facts about Australia" racism-by-proxy reasons, very few Kiwis who've lived in Australia all their lives have been able to gain citizenship. So there's been numerous Australian criminals deported to NZ. Among them, Australian organised crime members. Around the same time NZ was getting into methamphetamine, a profitable and growing demand. And well, what do you when you're good at something that makes money, and you need money? So we have seen establishment of chapters of Australian bikie gangs that we never had here before, and they're expanding into areas someone already called dibs on. Deportees have also joined the existing gangs, and the Australian veterans bring two key things to the table - access to networks of suppliers with good product, who didn't bother with NZ before, an effective distribution network, and the ability to provide guns and the means to get them past the ports. The Aussies also brought Aussie gang culture - they were also a lot more shooty than the Kiwi gangs (although there were alway periodic flare-ups) and so when they starting shooting early in the argument, everyone else followed suit, now there's a lot of gang members being shot by gang members when previously might've been a stabbing or a good beating. But yeah, no organised crime in Aussie lol. Certainly not organised crime that has often in the past compromised state police forces. There's also certainly not cartels looking for local partners who want to get some cocaine sold in a historically sadly undersupplied market, nothing bad will happen here. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/dec/19/sydney-drug-raid-ryde-cocaine-arrests-alleged-kidnapping-plot https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/dec/19/sydne...