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I hope you’ve done an actual sleep test to confirm your sleep apnea has improved. Snoring is a useful but not 100% correlated marker for sleep apnea. It’s very

I hope you’ve done an actual sleep test to confirm your sleep apnea has improved. Snoring is a useful but not 100% correlated marker for sleep apnea. It’s very possible to improve snoring without reducing the sleep apnea itself.

DiggyJohnson 3y ago
Presumably they also can sense how they feel when they wake up. An unencumbered night feels completely different than a night hindered by sleep apnea, snoring or otherwise.
- UseStrict 3y ago
  Not for me, no change before or after the CPAP machine, but I had an over 100 AHI during 2 separate sleep lab assessments.
  - DiggyJohnson 3y ago
    Wait are you claiming your still wake up feeling like shit even though you are objectively getting better sleep? Or just that you haven't been able to improve your sleep apnea symptoms (AHI count) despite treatment so you still wake up feeling like shit? Because even if there are some outliers like yourself, I can confidently claim that most people can correlate improvements in sleep apnea symptoms and sleep quality more generally with the way the feel in the morning.
    - Shadowmist 3y ago
      I don’t feel a difference, and in some ways I feel worse, such as when there is a slight leak which leads to my tank running dry. If I don’t use the machine then sometimes in the middle of the afternoon I think about just laying down on the floor wherever I am. I never feel great after using the machine though, and I’ve looked at the log data and it is working. The only reason I keep using the machine is that my spouse gets better sleep.
      - DiggyJohnson 3y ago
        That's interesting, it's still not clear to me that you don't have a faulty setup (avoiding leaks is important!) but nevertheless I appreciate the clarification. Good luck, and I hope you sleep well.
    - elric 3y ago
      One of the many problems with sleep apnea treatment, is that we're treating AHI. AHI is an imperfect proxy for all the things that really happen on account of sleep apnea. Not breathing, underbreathing, micro arousals, clustering of apneas etc. Things like UARS can go undetected nearly forever. You can have an AHI of 1 and still get zero REM sleep because every time you start going into REM, a respiratory event knocks you out of it. Apneas and Hypopneas have to last for 10 seconds or more to be included in the AHI count. You can literally have hundreds of respiratory events and have an AHI of zero, but you're still going to feel pretty bleedin' awful. There is also an RDI, Respiratory Disturbance Index, which includes the AHI events but also includes arousals caused by breathing issues. It is typically much higher than AHI in un(der)treated patients. It's also imperfect, and it's harder to measure. Then, of course, we come to the CPAP machine reported AHI, which seems to be what insurance and doctors are interested in. In short: the number is garbage. These machines are absolutely TERRIBLE at correctly identifying events. Using those numbers as the basis for any kind of decision is awful. Maybe one day we'll get CPAP devices with EEG devices in the head strap and with unobtrusive SpO2 sensors that actually work. Maybe then we can start reporting useful numbers which can actually be used in support of treatment. Until then, it's very much possible to keep feeling like shit even though your sleep apnea is allegedly "under control".
Solvency 3y ago
I'm 39 years old. Perfect shape, no health issues, don't smoke, don't drink, regular exercise. About a year ago, Out of NOWHERE I began snoring at night, and only when laying on my back. Never snored my entire life. No other position. But it drives my wife crazy. The problem is we cosleep with our baby, and laying on my back is the safest position. I don't have apnea so I don't qualify for insurance for any kind of mouthpiece. The ENT just laughs me off like it's no big deal. My nose is fine and he's zero help. I know it's something to do with my tongue but I have no idea what to do about it. I've tried thin pillows, thick ones, no pillows. Doesn't help.
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- reportgunner 3y ago
  I thought everyone snores sleeping on their back.
  - photon_rancher 3y ago
    Nope. It’s common and can be an indicator for apnea etc.. Normally sleeping on your back maximizes airflow instead of creating an obstruction (snoring)
    - lupire 3y ago
      Sleeping on your back is a cause of apnea and snoring. It's basic gravity.
  - supertofu 3y ago
    Uh... no? Not at all.
- vel0city 3y ago
  > The problem is we cosleep with our baby, and laying on my back is the safest position. No, the safest position is not having an infant in your bed with you while sleeping.
lepus 3y ago
My sleep apnea was already extremely mild to the point where a sleep doctor told me I could just sleep on my side and not experience it, but I appreciate the concern.

DiggyJohnson 3y ago

Presumably they also can sense how they feel when they wake up. An unencumbered night feels completely different than a night hindered by sleep apnea, snoring or otherwise.

UseStrict 3y ago
Not for me, no change before or after the CPAP machine, but I had an over 100 AHI during 2 separate sleep lab assessments.
- DiggyJohnson 3y ago
  Wait are you claiming your still wake up feeling like shit even though you are objectively getting better sleep? Or just that you haven't been able to improve your sleep apnea symptoms (AHI count) despite treatment so you still wake up feeling like shit? Because even if there are some outliers like yourself, I can confidently claim that most people can correlate improvements in sleep apnea symptoms and sleep quality more generally with the way the feel in the morning.
  - Shadowmist 3y ago
    I don’t feel a difference, and in some ways I feel worse, such as when there is a slight leak which leads to my tank running dry. If I don’t use the machine then sometimes in the middle of the afternoon I think about just laying down on the floor wherever I am. I never feel great after using the machine though, and I’ve looked at the log data and it is working. The only reason I keep using the machine is that my spouse gets better sleep.
    - DiggyJohnson 3y ago
      That's interesting, it's still not clear to me that you don't have a faulty setup (avoiding leaks is important!) but nevertheless I appreciate the clarification. Good luck, and I hope you sleep well.
  - elric 3y ago
    One of the many problems with sleep apnea treatment, is that we're treating AHI. AHI is an imperfect proxy for all the things that really happen on account of sleep apnea. Not breathing, underbreathing, micro arousals, clustering of apneas etc. Things like UARS can go undetected nearly forever. You can have an AHI of 1 and still get zero REM sleep because every time you start going into REM, a respiratory event knocks you out of it. Apneas and Hypopneas have to last for 10 seconds or more to be included in the AHI count. You can literally have hundreds of respiratory events and have an AHI of zero, but you're still going to feel pretty bleedin' awful. There is also an RDI, Respiratory Disturbance Index, which includes the AHI events but also includes arousals caused by breathing issues. It is typically much higher than AHI in un(der)treated patients. It's also imperfect, and it's harder to measure. Then, of course, we come to the CPAP machine reported AHI, which seems to be what insurance and doctors are interested in. In short: the number is garbage. These machines are absolutely TERRIBLE at correctly identifying events. Using those numbers as the basis for any kind of decision is awful. Maybe one day we'll get CPAP devices with EEG devices in the head strap and with unobtrusive SpO2 sensors that actually work. Maybe then we can start reporting useful numbers which can actually be used in support of treatment. Until then, it's very much possible to keep feeling like shit even though your sleep apnea is allegedly "under control".

Solvency 3y ago

I'm 39 years old. Perfect shape, no health issues, don't smoke, don't drink, regular exercise. About a year ago, Out of NOWHERE I began snoring at night, and only when laying on my back. Never snored my entire life. No other position. But it drives my wife crazy. The problem is we cosleep with our baby, and laying on my back is the safest position. I don't have apnea so I don't qualify for insurance for any kind of mouthpiece. The ENT just laughs me off like it's no big deal. My nose is fine and he's zero help. I know it's something to do with my tongue but I have no idea what to do about it. I've tried thin pillows, thick ones, no pillows. Doesn't help.

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reportgunner 3y ago
I thought everyone snores sleeping on their back.
- photon_rancher 3y ago
  Nope. It’s common and can be an indicator for apnea etc.. Normally sleeping on your back maximizes airflow instead of creating an obstruction (snoring)
  - lupire 3y ago
    Sleeping on your back is a cause of apnea and snoring. It's basic gravity.
- supertofu 3y ago
  Uh... no? Not at all.
vel0city 3y ago
> The problem is we cosleep with our baby, and laying on my back is the safest position. No, the safest position is not having an infant in your bed with you while sleeping.

lepus 3y ago

My sleep apnea was already extremely mild to the point where a sleep doctor told me I could just sleep on my side and not experience it, but I appreciate the concern.