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I said kill me now at the end of my post and that I am part of the problem and you yet think I am happy about it? Ok you got me bud. Yep 100% Stockholm syndrome

by jdoss 3y ago

I said kill me now at the end of my post and that I am part of the problem and you yet think I am happy about it? Ok you got me bud. Yep 100% Stockholm syndrome. No, I am not happy about it, but what else is there? Do you block YouTube on your network so you don't see content from that platform? I'd wager you don't. Also, do you really think that any platform as big as YouTube can remain free forever? I will pay for things that bring value to my life. YouTube Premium brings value almost every day. I am pretty sure you pay for things that bring value or make thing easier for you in life, so maybe don't post these kinds of responses in the future as they are cynical and bring no value to the conversation.

imiric 3y ago
> Do you block YouTube on your network so you don't see content from that platform? I'd wager you don't. I don't block YouTube, I just don't use any of their official frontends. There are plenty of alternatives in this space[1]. This might not work for everyone, but I get a much better UX with these tools. Not seeing ads is one benefit, but it's also about not being a participant in training algorithms that have a, mostly negative, psychological impact. > I am pretty sure you pay for things that bring value or make thing easier for you in life Of course. And I happily support content creators who don't rely on advertising or Google itself. I just refuse to be forced into a corrupt business model. Anyway, I didn't mean to antagonize you, so apologies if my response came across that way. [1]: https://github.com/mendel5/alternative-front-ends?tab=readme-ov-file#youtube https://github.com/mendel5/alternative-front-ends?tab=readme...
- jdoss 3y ago
  You came across antagonistic, but fair enough, thanks for the apology. Let me put it this way. I understand that you can block YouTube ads and have the techicnal means to block them at the DNS level. I also understand I can run different frontends for YouTube, but it is flat out easier and faster for me personally to not do that and to pay $22.99 a month for my entire family to enjoy ad free content. Time is money. Also, I play a decent amount of video games and I send money monthly to content creators on said games I play. If something brings value to my life or makes things easier, I will pay for it. Just because I pay for something you do not like doesn't mean I don't support content creators via other means.
  - imiric 3y ago
    That's fine. We obviously have different opinions and priorities. I'm not saying that my approach is objectively better, or that it works for everyone. I just found your observation that YouTube Premium is a good thing peculiar, especially coming from someone who's experienced YT pre-Google. To me it only solves part of the problem that Google introduced themselves, while still making you a participant in the other less obvious problems with the business.

by jdoss 3y ago

imiric 3y ago

> Do you block YouTube on your network so you don't see content from that platform? I'd wager you don't. I don't block YouTube, I just don't use any of their official frontends. There are plenty of alternatives in this space[1]. This might not work for everyone, but I get a much better UX with these tools. Not seeing ads is one benefit, but it's also about not being a participant in training algorithms that have a, mostly negative, psychological impact. > I am pretty sure you pay for things that bring value or make thing easier for you in life Of course. And I happily support content creators who don't rely on advertising or Google itself. I just refuse to be forced into a corrupt business model. Anyway, I didn't mean to antagonize you, so apologies if my response came across that way. [1]: https://github.com/mendel5/alternative-front-ends?tab=readme-ov-file#youtube https://github.com/mendel5/alternative-front-ends?tab=readme...

jdoss 3y ago
You came across antagonistic, but fair enough, thanks for the apology. Let me put it this way. I understand that you can block YouTube ads and have the techicnal means to block them at the DNS level. I also understand I can run different frontends for YouTube, but it is flat out easier and faster for me personally to not do that and to pay $22.99 a month for my entire family to enjoy ad free content. Time is money. Also, I play a decent amount of video games and I send money monthly to content creators on said games I play. If something brings value to my life or makes things easier, I will pay for it. Just because I pay for something you do not like doesn't mean I don't support content creators via other means.
- imiric 3y ago
  That's fine. We obviously have different opinions and priorities. I'm not saying that my approach is objectively better, or that it works for everyone. I just found your observation that YouTube Premium is a good thing peculiar, especially coming from someone who's experienced YT pre-Google. To me it only solves part of the problem that Google introduced themselves, while still making you a participant in the other less obvious problems with the business.