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> it's only 1 vowel so easier on the tongue Do you read/write with your tongue? > Anyways, setup modtap in your keyboard or OS to trigger some key, and bind

by eviks 3y ago

> it's only 1 vowel so easier on the tongue Do you read/write with your tongue? > Anyways, setup modtap in your keyboard or OS to trigger some key, and bind that key in vim? How would the OS know what mode you're in? How would it know know what command is expecting input in a sequence? > It isn't like it's universal functionality, I've heard of it but never encountered in any program. And this is relevant how? Modal text editing isn't universal functionality, so? > normal mods do that just as well. Are you following? You haven't provided any explanation for your rejection, so there is nothing to follow. Like, I've listed two specific examples. Explain exactly how normal mods do it "just as well". > Not at all, on the contrary it proves my point. I moved it _because_ I was getting Emacs pinky. Problem -> solution. Nope, you just didn't get the irony: "Bad solution → similarly bad solution" > Hit v for visual mode then it's just standard vim motions. And then those standard motions select the whole comment instead of the next sentence. > I don't really understand the question, obviously some things are missing if that's where you're going. Bump "some" to "a lot" and you'll be closer to understanding > stop moving the goalposts. Yeah, do that. Listing a few commands that work moves my original goalpost. > I was trying to be helpful and answer a simple question No you weren't. In your ignorance you mistook a complicated question for a simple one and later proceeded to try to prove to me that my problem doesn't even exist, and it's just something "to white about" simply because you don't understand it and are fine with bad solutions because before you used even worse RSI-inducing ones > The community is fine without your energy Who appointed you the community representative for such baseless claims? > I don't That question wasn't about YOU. > They're also interchangeable. Unless you bind them in a convenient non-interchangeable way. I know you don't do that and can't even imagine that, but that's just your limitations > Edge case that to me feels like inventing a problem to have something to whine about. Again, this isn't about YOU or your feelings.

worksonmine 3y ago
> Do you read/write with your tongue? No, but every now and then I get out of my cave and meet people and have to use my voice. You should try it. Are you always this confrontational? > How would the OS know what mode you're in? How would it know know what command is expecting input in a sequence? The OS doesn't need to know what mode you're using in vim to send another key. But you could make a plugin to change the window title and let the modtap program listen for that. I use window class and title for my window manager to handle programs differently, I don't see why a modtap program couldn't if that is something you want. Use your imagination. > And this is relevant how? Modal text editing isn't universal functionality, so? I'm not the one bitching about missing modal functionality in programs. That's why it's relevant, what programs meet your expectations? I see that is conveniently one of the few questions you skipped answering from my last comment, so I'm going to assume none? > Explain exactly how normal mods do it "just as well" Regarding latency? Not listening for the next key means no latency? But you knew this. The only reason I brought up latency was that coords are not a good choice in insert mode. Use it if you want, I don't. Don't make such a deal about something I mentioned in passing. > Nope, you just didn't get the irony: "Bad solution → similarly bad solution" Please tell me you're a child... > And then those standard motions select the whole comment instead of the next sentence. Have you even used it? Stop hallucinating ChatGPT. > Bump "some" to "a lot" and you'll be closer to understanding I never claimed it does everything vim does. Do you expect your e-mail client to compile programs? Emacs might be more your cup of tea, you'll never have to leave it. Most people are completely fine with the different ways different programs implement vim keys in their context, usually just movements, sometimes yank and move. It's very convenient for most of us. > No you weren't. In your ignorance you mistook a complicated question for a simple one and later proceeded to try to prove to me that my problem doesn't even exist, I asked why it was a problem and proposed solutions and workarounds. I'll try to ask again because I'm genuinely curious, what programs do you use that support modtap and meet your standards? You obviously have strong feelings about a program you don't even use. What programs are not garbage and have no-nonsense UI for modtap? Do they even exist or are you just looking for a reason to whine about a program you have no intentions of using? Do I understand you correctly? Modtap is the issue? Or is it the lack of a GUI for configuration?
- eviks 3y ago
  > every now and then I get out of my cave and meet people You should get out more often and meet more people, then you might stop telling people what words they should use in writing (especially with irrelevant tongue arguments) > The OS doesn't need to know what mode you're using in vim to send another key. Of course it does since the key is command+mode-dependent. And you forgot to answer the second question, so I'm going to assume you have nothing constructive to offer here as well. > let the modtap program listen for that. Which program would that be? Also, why couldn't the Vim app listen to itself, removing the intermediary? Can you not imagine that? > I don't see why a modtap program couldn't if that is something you want. Use your imagination. You fail to see plenty of things here, nothing my imagination could fix. > Regarding latency? No, regarding functionality. > Have you even used it? Stop hallucinating ChatGPT. Of course, right before writing that comment, I'm not as ignorant as you are and don't replace facts with imagination. > It's very convenient for most of us And again, this is neither about you personally nor your imaginary "us" that you feel you can speak for. > I asked why it was a problem and proposed solutions Not a single solution, plenty of insults > I'll try to ask again because I'm genuinely curious Genuinely curious people don't denigrate something they're clueless about and do not fear google so much they put a word police hat on at the first mention
  - worksonmine 3y ago
    You're like a dog chasing your own tail, everything you ask has already been covered in previous comments (such as how vim listens for keys from external bindings or how those bindings can know the mode from vim). I don't enjoy repeating myself and it's obvious you're not looking for solutions only drama. I don't know what modtap program you should use, I don't use them you're the one demanding it. Do you have mech keyboard, use that? Fuck do I know, DYOR. Nothing I would suggest would satisfy you anyway and my patience ran out several comments ago. What programs do you use and what _exactly_ are you missing in vim. Is it modtap? A GUI? I don't even know what you're so pissed about and you refuse to mention it. Be constructive or find something else to waste your time on, this will most likely be my last response as I don't expect anything different in your next one.

by eviks 3y ago

worksonmine 3y ago

> Do you read/write with your tongue? No, but every now and then I get out of my cave and meet people and have to use my voice. You should try it. Are you always this confrontational? > How would the OS know what mode you're in? How would it know know what command is expecting input in a sequence? The OS doesn't need to know what mode you're using in vim to send another key. But you could make a plugin to change the window title and let the modtap program listen for that. I use window class and title for my window manager to handle programs differently, I don't see why a modtap program couldn't if that is something you want. Use your imagination. > And this is relevant how? Modal text editing isn't universal functionality, so? I'm not the one bitching about missing modal functionality in programs. That's why it's relevant, what programs meet your expectations? I see that is conveniently one of the few questions you skipped answering from my last comment, so I'm going to assume none? > Explain exactly how normal mods do it "just as well" Regarding latency? Not listening for the next key means no latency? But you knew this. The only reason I brought up latency was that coords are not a good choice in insert mode. Use it if you want, I don't. Don't make such a deal about something I mentioned in passing. > Nope, you just didn't get the irony: "Bad solution → similarly bad solution" Please tell me you're a child... > And then those standard motions select the whole comment instead of the next sentence. Have you even used it? Stop hallucinating ChatGPT. > Bump "some" to "a lot" and you'll be closer to understanding I never claimed it does everything vim does. Do you expect your e-mail client to compile programs? Emacs might be more your cup of tea, you'll never have to leave it. Most people are completely fine with the different ways different programs implement vim keys in their context, usually just movements, sometimes yank and move. It's very convenient for most of us. > No you weren't. In your ignorance you mistook a complicated question for a simple one and later proceeded to try to prove to me that my problem doesn't even exist, I asked why it was a problem and proposed solutions and workarounds. I'll try to ask again because I'm genuinely curious, what programs do you use that support modtap and meet your standards? You obviously have strong feelings about a program you don't even use. What programs are not garbage and have no-nonsense UI for modtap? Do they even exist or are you just looking for a reason to whine about a program you have no intentions of using? Do I understand you correctly? Modtap is the issue? Or is it the lack of a GUI for configuration?

eviks 3y ago
> every now and then I get out of my cave and meet people You should get out more often and meet more people, then you might stop telling people what words they should use in writing (especially with irrelevant tongue arguments) > The OS doesn't need to know what mode you're using in vim to send another key. Of course it does since the key is command+mode-dependent. And you forgot to answer the second question, so I'm going to assume you have nothing constructive to offer here as well. > let the modtap program listen for that. Which program would that be? Also, why couldn't the Vim app listen to itself, removing the intermediary? Can you not imagine that? > I don't see why a modtap program couldn't if that is something you want. Use your imagination. You fail to see plenty of things here, nothing my imagination could fix. > Regarding latency? No, regarding functionality. > Have you even used it? Stop hallucinating ChatGPT. Of course, right before writing that comment, I'm not as ignorant as you are and don't replace facts with imagination. > It's very convenient for most of us And again, this is neither about you personally nor your imaginary "us" that you feel you can speak for. > I asked why it was a problem and proposed solutions Not a single solution, plenty of insults > I'll try to ask again because I'm genuinely curious Genuinely curious people don't denigrate something they're clueless about and do not fear google so much they put a word police hat on at the first mention
- worksonmine 3y ago
  You're like a dog chasing your own tail, everything you ask has already been covered in previous comments (such as how vim listens for keys from external bindings or how those bindings can know the mode from vim). I don't enjoy repeating myself and it's obvious you're not looking for solutions only drama. I don't know what modtap program you should use, I don't use them you're the one demanding it. Do you have mech keyboard, use that? Fuck do I know, DYOR. Nothing I would suggest would satisfy you anyway and my patience ran out several comments ago. What programs do you use and what _exactly_ are you missing in vim. Is it modtap? A GUI? I don't even know what you're so pissed about and you refuse to mention it. Be constructive or find something else to waste your time on, this will most likely be my last response as I don't expect anything different in your next one.