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The Retro Web – Database, Docs, BIOS, Drivers, etc. for old PC Hardware

AlbertoGP 3y ago
Their server (PHP 8) is Free Software under the GPL v3 but I can't find any link to the SQL dump mentioned in the README that one would need to actually run it.
- widge 3y ago
  Where do you see such a requirement?
  - snvzz 3y ago
    Not even the AGPL has such a requirement.
    - AlbertoGP 3y ago
      You are both right, I did not mean that they had any obligation but I see how it could be read that way.
  - lwkl 3y ago
    I think the GP was talking about the database schema and not the actual data. If they were talking about the data it sounds like it would be in reference to the setup guide of the project.
- rasz 3y ago
  Base sql dump is in database.pgsql, then they got patches on top of that in /migrations Afaik only one developer deploys this code to the webserver and last time I tried it wasnt reproducible https://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?p=1207261#p1207261 https://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?p=1207261#p1207261 I suspect he is the only one who ever does build whole project, or maybe no one ever builds it from scratch. I think problem is in the database with codebase expecting never dump. They claim to be looking for volunteers https://blog.theretroweb.com/2023/04/25/the-retro-web-is-looking-for-coding-volunteers/ https://blog.theretroweb.com/2023/04/25/the-retro-web-is-loo... but I got no reply asking for help building.
  - AlbertoGP 3y ago
    Thank you, I see it now.
tommica 3y ago
This seems like a really neat thing - need to remember the old specs, wanna see if there are any drivers! Edit: Oh man, didn't remember how colorful old motherboards looked like... Ah, nostalgia
bdcravens 3y ago
Looking at the simple (as in good) layout and all the old hardware reminded me of Pricewatch.com (specifically the late 90s/early 2000s era version of the site)
anthk 3y ago
Now, useful software for w9x (there's a good chunk of libre software too, as 7Zip and retrozilla + an Ublock Origin plugin for it): http://piteusz.ovh/files/windows/ http://piteusz.ovh/files/windows/ Windows Update (W2K and up): http://legacyupdate.net http://legacyupdate.net Needed for dependencies on some software. Hexchat will work well against the Bitlbee IRC servers at https://www.bitlbee.org/main.php/servers.html https://www.bitlbee.org/main.php/servers.html Here you might set several bridge accounts, including IRC+TLS, Jabber, Discord...
tomdos 3y ago
It reminds me my childhood and how the pieces were nice and easily maintainable. I would propose two improvements (sorry if I missed them) - Add filtering for items with a picture only - Allow to a user to browse a category (without necessity of searching) Well done ;-)
vinc 3y ago
I used the database to identify some of my old hardware from pictures, it's pretty neat!
hannob 3y ago
Oh this brings some memories. I was one of the people who still ran DOS when this wasn't really very common any more, and was constantly looking for things like drivers that would bring proper vesa or sound support to newer hardware on DOS. I ended up starting a webpage dedicated to collecting those drivers for DOS, which by now must've been decades ago. It never grew very big, but I also never took it down. I wonder if it helped some people over the years. https://dosdriver.de/ https://dosdriver.de/
- sneed_chucker 3y ago
  How late in the game were you running DOS?
  - deleted 3y ago
    [deleted]
  - hannob 3y ago
    Hard to tell exactly, both because of course it was a process (still running DOS some time while having Windows as a GUI for other uses), and I don't remember everything exactly. I think the later Running-on-top-of-DOS-Windows-versions - the last one was Windows ME I believe - where trying to hide their DOS-based roots, and you had to use some hacks to actually boot into DOS. I can tell you that I used those hacks. I never migrated to the "native" (non-DOS-based) Windows versions (I believe XP was the first consumer-not-dos-based version), but switched to Linux around that time.
araes 3y ago
Not sure if its the browser or interface, yet trying to search for Motherboards, Expansion Chips, Chipsets, ect... I always get a limited number of possible Manufacturer choices. Motherboards ends at "ASIA DATA, Inc"; Expansion Chips ends at "Chromatic"; Chipsets ends at "IMS". I was able to view a large list briefly once, but I'm not sure what I did.
- NikkiA 3y ago
  It seems to be how the web site is designed, if you use the search function all the ones past those points are there, just don't show up in the lists.
- timw4mail 3y ago
  The idea is to enter in the Manufacturer name, and it auto-completes. The list is absurdly long to load directly.
sim7c00 3y ago
# DO NOT DEFINE PRODUCTION SECRETS IN THIS FILE NOR IN ANY OTHER COMMITTED FILES.
fuzztester 3y ago
A few years back, while browsing some such sites, I came across downloadable versions of the classic Norton Guides for Turbo C, Clipper and Assembly language, along with an app to view them. I think it was a TSR app, like the original, or it may have been the original app. Also, at least until a few years ago, earlier versions of Turbo Pascal such as v3 and v5, were downloadable from the Museum section of the Borland (Codegear / Embarcadero) site.

Their server (PHP 8) is Free Software under the GPL v3 but I can't find any link to the SQL dump mentioned in the README that one would need to actually run it.

widge 3y ago
Where do you see such a requirement?
- snvzz 3y ago
  Not even the AGPL has such a requirement.
  - AlbertoGP 3y ago
    You are both right, I did not mean that they had any obligation but I see how it could be read that way.
- lwkl 3y ago
  I think the GP was talking about the database schema and not the actual data. If they were talking about the data it sounds like it would be in reference to the setup guide of the project.
rasz 3y ago
Base sql dump is in database.pgsql, then they got patches on top of that in /migrations Afaik only one developer deploys this code to the webserver and last time I tried it wasnt reproducible https://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?p=1207261#p1207261 https://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?p=1207261#p1207261 I suspect he is the only one who ever does build whole project, or maybe no one ever builds it from scratch. I think problem is in the database with codebase expecting never dump. They claim to be looking for volunteers https://blog.theretroweb.com/2023/04/25/the-retro-web-is-looking-for-coding-volunteers/ https://blog.theretroweb.com/2023/04/25/the-retro-web-is-loo... but I got no reply asking for help building.
- AlbertoGP 3y ago
  Thank you, I see it now.

tommica 3y ago

This seems like a really neat thing - need to remember the old specs, wanna see if there are any drivers! Edit: Oh man, didn't remember how colorful old motherboards looked like... Ah, nostalgia

bdcravens 3y ago

Looking at the simple (as in good) layout and all the old hardware reminded me of Pricewatch.com (specifically the late 90s/early 2000s era version of the site)

anthk 3y ago

Now, useful software for w9x (there's a good chunk of libre software too, as 7Zip and retrozilla + an Ublock Origin plugin for it): http://piteusz.ovh/files/windows/ http://piteusz.ovh/files/windows/ Windows Update (W2K and up): http://legacyupdate.net http://legacyupdate.net Needed for dependencies on some software. Hexchat will work well against the Bitlbee IRC servers at https://www.bitlbee.org/main.php/servers.html https://www.bitlbee.org/main.php/servers.html Here you might set several bridge accounts, including IRC+TLS, Jabber, Discord...

tomdos 3y ago

It reminds me my childhood and how the pieces were nice and easily maintainable. I would propose two improvements (sorry if I missed them) - Add filtering for items with a picture only - Allow to a user to browse a category (without necessity of searching) Well done ;-)

vinc 3y ago

I used the database to identify some of my old hardware from pictures, it's pretty neat!

hannob 3y ago

Oh this brings some memories. I was one of the people who still ran DOS when this wasn't really very common any more, and was constantly looking for things like drivers that would bring proper vesa or sound support to newer hardware on DOS. I ended up starting a webpage dedicated to collecting those drivers for DOS, which by now must've been decades ago. It never grew very big, but I also never took it down. I wonder if it helped some people over the years. https://dosdriver.de/ https://dosdriver.de/

sneed_chucker 3y ago
How late in the game were you running DOS?
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
- hannob 3y ago
  Hard to tell exactly, both because of course it was a process (still running DOS some time while having Windows as a GUI for other uses), and I don't remember everything exactly. I think the later Running-on-top-of-DOS-Windows-versions - the last one was Windows ME I believe - where trying to hide their DOS-based roots, and you had to use some hacks to actually boot into DOS. I can tell you that I used those hacks. I never migrated to the "native" (non-DOS-based) Windows versions (I believe XP was the first consumer-not-dos-based version), but switched to Linux around that time.

araes 3y ago

Not sure if its the browser or interface, yet trying to search for Motherboards, Expansion Chips, Chipsets, ect... I always get a limited number of possible Manufacturer choices. Motherboards ends at "ASIA DATA, Inc"; Expansion Chips ends at "Chromatic"; Chipsets ends at "IMS". I was able to view a large list briefly once, but I'm not sure what I did.

NikkiA 3y ago
It seems to be how the web site is designed, if you use the search function all the ones past those points are there, just don't show up in the lists.
timw4mail 3y ago
The idea is to enter in the Manufacturer name, and it auto-completes. The list is absurdly long to load directly.

sim7c00 3y ago

# DO NOT DEFINE PRODUCTION SECRETS IN THIS FILE NOR IN ANY OTHER COMMITTED FILES.

fuzztester 3y ago

A few years back, while browsing some such sites, I came across downloadable versions of the classic Norton Guides for Turbo C, Clipper and Assembly language, along with an app to view them. I think it was a TSR app, like the original, or it may have been the original app. Also, at least until a few years ago, earlier versions of Turbo Pascal such as v3 and v5, were downloadable from the Museum section of the Borland (Codegear / Embarcadero) site.