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> Tan, for his part, apologized over the weekend, noting that his post was a reference to a Tupac Shakur lyric Ah, so if it's a quote, it doesn't matter, becau

> Tan, for his part, apologized over the weekend, noting that his post was a reference to a Tupac Shakur lyric Ah, so if it's a quote, it doesn't matter, because even though you've decided when to use them, they're not "your words" Thanks, going to publish press releases with Cannibal Corpse lyrics going forward.

artyom 3y ago
That sounds actually interesting
renewiltord 3y ago
You know, like a Che T-shirt doesn't mean you're endorsing the killing of political prisoners and stuff. Or that a George Washington statue endorses slavery. It's like a "you came at me but I'm going to beat you" lyric, not literally as Tupac meant it. Whatever, it's not intended to mean killing someone. But you have to be a colossal dumbfuck to say it like that to a bunch of people wise in the ways of the street political machine.
- vidarh 3y ago
  Most people who see a Che t-shirt don't know who he was, only that his face shows up a lot. The problem isn't referencing something or someone, but doing so expecting those on the receiving end to know the reference and not take it at face value.
  - mcv 3y ago
    Yeah, I think there's a big difference between wearing Che's face, and posting a quote of Che where he ordered people to kill someone. One, without context, is just a face. The other, without context, promotes murder. Context matters of course, but so does the actual quote itself without the context.
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- romwell 3y ago
  >You know, like a Che T-shirt doesn't mean you're endorsing the killing of political prisoners and stuff. Or that a George Washington statue endorses slavery. What a load of bullshit. He put names of specific people in his tweet who have subsequently received threatening letters in paper mail. The intended audience heard the message loud and clear. I wonder if you took that message the same way if Tran said "Die slow, Rene Wiltord" and you received personal paper mail afterwards that said "Tran was right. Die, Rene."
- alpaca128 3y ago
  These discussions here wouldn't exist if he'd just posted Tupac's portrait on Twitter. But he specifically quoted a sentence with a very clear and unambiguous meaning.
  - romwell 3y ago
    Not just that, he modified the sentence by replacing most of it with the names of SF politicians. Pretty much the only part left intact was "die slowly". This isn't a quote, this is an allusion.
bhawks 3y ago
The fact that it is a quote (which I didn't know) moves it out of the extremely disturbing category and into the extremely cringe & very disappointing category. SF politics is a clown show on all sides - Garry has lost serious credibility that he could play some part in cleaning it up. I think he knows that.
- TeMPOraL 3y ago
  To me, it's extremely disturbing that someone would consider this whole thing as extremely disturbing in the first place. Whether people in the US are extremely oversenstive to tweets and words, or that the tweets and words have the power to suddenly make regular people hateful and violent - neither of those states are normal. Either that, or the country really is a few Twitter sparks away from civil war, which again would... not be a normal state of things.
  - Arainach 3y ago
    Posting that you want a group of city councilors to die is not normal behavior. It's not normal when sober, it's not normal on alcohol, it's not normal for any functioning member of society. Anyone saying these things is disturbing. The fact that someone who a number of people believe is intelligent and worth listening to would say such things is extremely disturbing.
    - echelon 3y ago
      If one's own side of the horeshoe [1] had made the gaffe, it's sticks and stones. We're a bunch of evolved apes. Sometimes we say things we don't mean. They'll get over it. If the other side said it, oh dear. We'd best remove them from their job, their payroll, shun them forever, and make sure they never have power again. I think the correct approach is to have a conversation, to seek an apology, and to hold the party to being better. Strike one; it's water under the bridge. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory
      - 3y ago
Cornbilly 3y ago
Going to take your idea and take a step further. Random Cannibal Corpse lyrics in my email signature. Can't wait to be blameless for the lyrics for Necropedophile showing up in an email to the CEO.
- TeMPOraL 3y ago
  I heard Cradle of Filth had mixed success in the UK tech industry executive sphere.
  - progre 3y ago
    They got me through some pretty bleak times, try track 4 "Coffin fodder".
ugh123 3y ago
So, he "re-tweeted" Tupac but does not endorse it? :)
- romwell 3y ago
  >So, he "re-tweeted" Tupac but does not endorse it? :) There might be a reason the Tupac reference didn't exactly come through. Perhaps because he replaced all the people Tupac wished dead in his rap song with the names of SF politicians. In the spirit of Tran's excuse, I only wish that his words were taken as seriously as Tupac's when it comes to consequences for saying them.
khimaros 3y ago
can confirm this is taken almost word for word from "Hit 'em up", 2Pac's infamous and apparently (at least partially) sincere response to B.I.G.'s "Who shot ya?" this song played an important part in the public exchange that concluded with both artists dead from fatal gunshot wounds. the seemingly out of place "as a record label" portion of Tan's quote probably should have engendered some pause in the discerning reader.
- romwell 3y ago
  >the seemingly out of place "as a record label" portion of Tan's quote probably should have engendered some pause in the discerning reader. A discerning reader would discern that the word record was missing from Tran's allusion to Tupac's song. Here's the full quote, in its entirety: >Fuck Chan Peskin Preston Walton Melgar Ronen Safai Chan as a label and motherfucking crew >And if you are down with Peskin Preston Walton Melgar Ronen Safai Chan as a crew fuck you too >Die slow motherfuckers Compare and contrast with Tupac's lyrics: >Fuck Mobb Deep, fuck Biggie >Fuck Bad Boy as a staff, record label and as a motherfuckin' crew >And if you want to be down with Bad Bo, then fuck you too* >Chino XL, fuck you too >All you motherfuckers, fuck you too (take money, take money) >All of y'all motherfuckers, fuck you, die slow, motherfucker The only part that was left intact is "die slow". Which is hardly a quote. More of a violent, incoherent ramble.

artyom 3y ago

That sounds actually interesting

renewiltord 3y ago

You know, like a Che T-shirt doesn't mean you're endorsing the killing of political prisoners and stuff. Or that a George Washington statue endorses slavery. It's like a "you came at me but I'm going to beat you" lyric, not literally as Tupac meant it. Whatever, it's not intended to mean killing someone. But you have to be a colossal dumbfuck to say it like that to a bunch of people wise in the ways of the street political machine.

vidarh 3y ago
Most people who see a Che t-shirt don't know who he was, only that his face shows up a lot. The problem isn't referencing something or someone, but doing so expecting those on the receiving end to know the reference and not take it at face value.
- mcv 3y ago
  Yeah, I think there's a big difference between wearing Che's face, and posting a quote of Che where he ordered people to kill someone. One, without context, is just a face. The other, without context, promotes murder. Context matters of course, but so does the actual quote itself without the context.
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romwell 3y ago
>You know, like a Che T-shirt doesn't mean you're endorsing the killing of political prisoners and stuff. Or that a George Washington statue endorses slavery. What a load of bullshit. He put names of specific people in his tweet who have subsequently received threatening letters in paper mail. The intended audience heard the message loud and clear. I wonder if you took that message the same way if Tran said "Die slow, Rene Wiltord" and you received personal paper mail afterwards that said "Tran was right. Die, Rene."
alpaca128 3y ago
These discussions here wouldn't exist if he'd just posted Tupac's portrait on Twitter. But he specifically quoted a sentence with a very clear and unambiguous meaning.
- romwell 3y ago
  Not just that, he modified the sentence by replacing most of it with the names of SF politicians. Pretty much the only part left intact was "die slowly". This isn't a quote, this is an allusion.

bhawks 3y ago

The fact that it is a quote (which I didn't know) moves it out of the extremely disturbing category and into the extremely cringe & very disappointing category. SF politics is a clown show on all sides - Garry has lost serious credibility that he could play some part in cleaning it up. I think he knows that.

TeMPOraL 3y ago
To me, it's extremely disturbing that someone would consider this whole thing as extremely disturbing in the first place. Whether people in the US are extremely oversenstive to tweets and words, or that the tweets and words have the power to suddenly make regular people hateful and violent - neither of those states are normal. Either that, or the country really is a few Twitter sparks away from civil war, which again would... not be a normal state of things.
- Arainach 3y ago
  Posting that you want a group of city councilors to die is not normal behavior. It's not normal when sober, it's not normal on alcohol, it's not normal for any functioning member of society. Anyone saying these things is disturbing. The fact that someone who a number of people believe is intelligent and worth listening to would say such things is extremely disturbing.
  - echelon 3y ago
    If one's own side of the horeshoe [1] had made the gaffe, it's sticks and stones. We're a bunch of evolved apes. Sometimes we say things we don't mean. They'll get over it. If the other side said it, oh dear. We'd best remove them from their job, their payroll, shun them forever, and make sure they never have power again. I think the correct approach is to have a conversation, to seek an apology, and to hold the party to being better. Strike one; it's water under the bridge. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory
    - 3y ago

Cornbilly 3y ago

Going to take your idea and take a step further. Random Cannibal Corpse lyrics in my email signature. Can't wait to be blameless for the lyrics for Necropedophile showing up in an email to the CEO.

TeMPOraL 3y ago
I heard Cradle of Filth had mixed success in the UK tech industry executive sphere.
- progre 3y ago
  They got me through some pretty bleak times, try track 4 "Coffin fodder".

ugh123 3y ago

So, he "re-tweeted" Tupac but does not endorse it? :)

romwell 3y ago
>So, he "re-tweeted" Tupac but does not endorse it? :) There might be a reason the Tupac reference didn't exactly come through. Perhaps because he replaced all the people Tupac wished dead in his rap song with the names of SF politicians. In the spirit of Tran's excuse, I only wish that his words were taken as seriously as Tupac's when it comes to consequences for saying them.

khimaros 3y ago

can confirm this is taken almost word for word from "Hit 'em up", 2Pac's infamous and apparently (at least partially) sincere response to B.I.G.'s "Who shot ya?" this song played an important part in the public exchange that concluded with both artists dead from fatal gunshot wounds. the seemingly out of place "as a record label" portion of Tan's quote probably should have engendered some pause in the discerning reader.

romwell 3y ago
>the seemingly out of place "as a record label" portion of Tan's quote probably should have engendered some pause in the discerning reader. A discerning reader would discern that the word record was missing from Tran's allusion to Tupac's song. Here's the full quote, in its entirety: >Fuck Chan Peskin Preston Walton Melgar Ronen Safai Chan as a label and motherfucking crew >And if you are down with Peskin Preston Walton Melgar Ronen Safai Chan as a crew fuck you too >Die slow motherfuckers Compare and contrast with Tupac's lyrics: >Fuck Mobb Deep, fuck Biggie >Fuck Bad Boy as a staff, record label and as a motherfuckin' crew >And if you want to be down with Bad Bo, then fuck you too* >Chino XL, fuck you too >All you motherfuckers, fuck you too (take money, take money) >All of y'all motherfuckers, fuck you, die slow, motherfucker The only part that was left intact is "die slow". Which is hardly a quote. More of a violent, incoherent ramble.