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Netflix uses 3-7GB an hour. The average person is spending 4-5hrs a day watching TV. I’d say most are above 100GB/month. But that’s me.

kuchenbecker 3y ago
Do you have a source on the 4-5 hrs?
- garciasn 3y ago
  https://www.statista.com/statistics/420791/daily-video-content-consumption-usa-device/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/420791/daily-video-conte... 300+ minutes a day for TV + vMOD (streaming services). Since no one actually watches TV anymore, at least not through traditional TV, I summed them.
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lillecarl 3y ago
Yep, but that data originates from the providers network and never leave the providers network, so they probably don't count it towards your usage the same way. I don't think that breaks net neutrality either, which the FCC seems to be reimplementing Edit: see https://openconnect.netflix.com/en/ https://openconnect.netflix.com/en/
- ajross 3y ago
  They absolutely count it the same way. Comcast just gives me a number for bytes used, with a limit of (IIRC) 1.2TB above which they start metering. Our family of four comes dances around hitting that basically every month. The biggest consumer actually isn't video, is my teenage gamer's propensity for huge game downloads (also giant mod packs that then break his setup and force reinstall of the original content). I think a few hundred GB for a typical cord-cut household is about right.
- joecool1029 3y ago
  All my data usage is over LTE and NR. On one line it mostly gets used for streaming video (YouTube,plex,twitch) and averages around 500GB/mo. I rent a line to a friend and he's doing over 10TB/mo on mostly machine learning stuff and astronomy data. T-Mobile absolutely counts all data used over the network, my voice lines go QCI 9 (they are normally QCI 6) when over 50GB of any kind of data usage each month, the home internet lines are always QCI 9. I don't have congestion in my area so it does not affect my speeds. This is QoS prioritization that happens at physical sector level on the tower(s).
- ancientworldnow 3y ago
  This obviously has no relevance for starlink which does not have local datacenters for cdn purposes. All that bandwidth is going through the satellites right before it reaches the user.
  - londons_explore 3y ago
    I wouldn't be surprised if starlink doesn't at least experiment with making the satellites a big bunch of CDN nodes. Imagine they put 10TB of flash memory on the satellites and run virtual machines for the big CDN companies (cloudflare, Google, Netflix etc). I reckon that 10TB is still big enough to service a good little chunk of internet traffic.
    - vardump 3y ago
      I guess the problem is that most of the useful bits of that 10 TB are going to be most of the time somewhere far away from the target audience. You have to share that 10 TB with everything on that satellite's orbit.
    - oger 3y ago
      Definitely sounds like a no-brainer / reasonable next step. Most ISPs have CND appliances in their racks to save on uplink bandwidth. And from a satellite perspective the uplink (in this scenario: the downlink from the satellite to the gateway) definitely is the expensive bottleneck. You want to avoid congestion and every bit of caching could be helpful. Then it comes down to the mass and power budget (and the reliability of flash drives in space) - but that doesn't seem too terrible.
seemaze 3y ago
Who has 4-5 hrs a day to watch television? ..or am I completely out of touch?
- edude03 3y ago
  _actively_ watch? Probably not many. Having it on as background noise however? 5 hours is pretty easy
  - colordrops 3y ago
    Is that still a thing with young people? I associate leaving the TV on in the background as an older generation thing.
    - ang_cire 3y ago
      sure, it's just Critical Role playing on the YT app on their tv, rather than some cable channel.
    - dguest 3y ago
      I'm middle aged. This kind of background noise sounds terrible to me. Maybe I just grew up in a quiet place.
      - b112 3y ago
        There are people who like to hear other humans blathering on all around them. Then there are sane people. We're outnumbered.
      - dr_dshiv 3y ago
        John Von Neumann liked to do math with the TV on as background noise. Genius.
        jimmy76615 3y ago
        I heard all those stories about Von Neumann working like that. According to a biography, his wife once designated a room as his office and he became very angry about that since it was too quiet for him to work there. Personally I need almost complete silence in order to get anything done, his abilities in this regard always fascinated me.

kuchenbecker 3y ago

Do you have a source on the 4-5 hrs?

garciasn 3y ago
https://www.statista.com/statistics/420791/daily-video-content-consumption-usa-device/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/420791/daily-video-conte... 300+ minutes a day for TV + vMOD (streaming services). Since no one actually watches TV anymore, at least not through traditional TV, I summed them.
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lillecarl 3y ago

Yep, but that data originates from the providers network and never leave the providers network, so they probably don't count it towards your usage the same way. I don't think that breaks net neutrality either, which the FCC seems to be reimplementing Edit: see https://openconnect.netflix.com/en/ https://openconnect.netflix.com/en/

ajross 3y ago
They absolutely count it the same way. Comcast just gives me a number for bytes used, with a limit of (IIRC) 1.2TB above which they start metering. Our family of four comes dances around hitting that basically every month. The biggest consumer actually isn't video, is my teenage gamer's propensity for huge game downloads (also giant mod packs that then break his setup and force reinstall of the original content). I think a few hundred GB for a typical cord-cut household is about right.
joecool1029 3y ago
All my data usage is over LTE and NR. On one line it mostly gets used for streaming video (YouTube,plex,twitch) and averages around 500GB/mo. I rent a line to a friend and he's doing over 10TB/mo on mostly machine learning stuff and astronomy data. T-Mobile absolutely counts all data used over the network, my voice lines go QCI 9 (they are normally QCI 6) when over 50GB of any kind of data usage each month, the home internet lines are always QCI 9. I don't have congestion in my area so it does not affect my speeds. This is QoS prioritization that happens at physical sector level on the tower(s).
ancientworldnow 3y ago
This obviously has no relevance for starlink which does not have local datacenters for cdn purposes. All that bandwidth is going through the satellites right before it reaches the user.
- londons_explore 3y ago
  I wouldn't be surprised if starlink doesn't at least experiment with making the satellites a big bunch of CDN nodes. Imagine they put 10TB of flash memory on the satellites and run virtual machines for the big CDN companies (cloudflare, Google, Netflix etc). I reckon that 10TB is still big enough to service a good little chunk of internet traffic.
  - vardump 3y ago
    I guess the problem is that most of the useful bits of that 10 TB are going to be most of the time somewhere far away from the target audience. You have to share that 10 TB with everything on that satellite's orbit.
  - oger 3y ago
    Definitely sounds like a no-brainer / reasonable next step. Most ISPs have CND appliances in their racks to save on uplink bandwidth. And from a satellite perspective the uplink (in this scenario: the downlink from the satellite to the gateway) definitely is the expensive bottleneck. You want to avoid congestion and every bit of caching could be helpful. Then it comes down to the mass and power budget (and the reliability of flash drives in space) - but that doesn't seem too terrible.

seemaze 3y ago

Who has 4-5 hrs a day to watch television? ..or am I completely out of touch?

edude03 3y ago
_actively_ watch? Probably not many. Having it on as background noise however? 5 hours is pretty easy
- colordrops 3y ago
  Is that still a thing with young people? I associate leaving the TV on in the background as an older generation thing.
  - ang_cire 3y ago
    sure, it's just Critical Role playing on the YT app on their tv, rather than some cable channel.
  - dguest 3y ago
    I'm middle aged. This kind of background noise sounds terrible to me. Maybe I just grew up in a quiet place.
    - b112 3y ago
      There are people who like to hear other humans blathering on all around them. Then there are sane people. We're outnumbered.
    - dr_dshiv 3y ago
      John Von Neumann liked to do math with the TV on as background noise. Genius.
      - jimmy76615 3y ago
        I heard all those stories about Von Neumann working like that. According to a biography, his wife once designated a room as his office and he became very angry about that since it was too quiet for him to work there. Personally I need almost complete silence in order to get anything done, his abilities in this regard always fascinated me.