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I don’t think most programmers code for fun in their free time. I do and know quite some who also do code for fun but still…. Story points and sprints are ther

by ozim 3y ago

I don’t think most programmers code for fun in their free time. I do and know quite some who also do code for fun but still…. Story points and sprints are there to save you from people who would otherwise come to you and ask for changes or shift priorities on daily basis. You don’t care about story points but with them you can say “I am busy with this 8 pt story will pick next when I am done” instead of having some pointy haired boss insisting to do something else each day and after a month yelling at you “why nothing is finished”.

JohnFen 3y ago
> I don’t think most programmers code for fun in their free time. Maybe not, I haven't done a study. But literally every dev that I personally know (well enough to know what they do in their free time) does this. > save you from people who would otherwise come to you and ask for changes or shift priorities on daily basis. The problem is that one of the jobs of a manager is to shield devs from this. A manager who is bad enough that they aren't able to do that is probably also a manager who won't stop (or may even take part in) the abuse of Agile mechanisms as leverage over the devs. I think this problem is one of the main reasons why agile is largely a failure.
- uoaei 3y ago
  > But literally every dev that I personally know Your bubble is absurdly tiny. I assure you this is not the norm across software engineering as a whole.
  - JohnFen 3y ago
    You have no clue how large or small my professional circle is. Since you claim to have knowledge about what is the norm across the entire field of software engineering rather than just the people in your own bubble, I assume that you have a study that informs your belief?
    - phantomathkg 3y ago
      Maybe it is fair to say, probably 50% people develop for fun outside work, and another 50% don't?
      - uoaei 3y ago
        That's an OK prior if you have literally no other information, but still isn't reasonable once you know anything about people.
      - JohnFen 3y ago
        In the absence of data, saying this is just as speculative as saying any other ratio. There's no reason to think any particular ratio is the correct one. That's why I was very careful to point out that I was talking about my personal experience, and wasn't generalizing it to the field as a whole. I have no data to support any speculation about the field as a whole.
    - brewdad 3y ago
      There are an estimated 28 million software developers in the world. How many millions do you know personally? Your circle is incredibly small.
      - xboxnolifes 3y ago
        Everyone's circle is incredibly small by that definition, and those neither opinions hold any weight.
- zeroonetwothree 3y ago
  Literally zero of the devs I know spend a nontrivial amount of time coding for fun outside of work. Maybe a few small things once a year or so but hardly what I’d consider regular. We do often do ‘fun stuff’ at work though so it kind of scratches that itch

by ozim 3y ago

JohnFen 3y ago

> I don’t think most programmers code for fun in their free time. Maybe not, I haven't done a study. But literally every dev that I personally know (well enough to know what they do in their free time) does this. > save you from people who would otherwise come to you and ask for changes or shift priorities on daily basis. The problem is that one of the jobs of a manager is to shield devs from this. A manager who is bad enough that they aren't able to do that is probably also a manager who won't stop (or may even take part in) the abuse of Agile mechanisms as leverage over the devs. I think this problem is one of the main reasons why agile is largely a failure.

uoaei 3y ago
> But literally every dev that I personally know Your bubble is absurdly tiny. I assure you this is not the norm across software engineering as a whole.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  You have no clue how large or small my professional circle is. Since you claim to have knowledge about what is the norm across the entire field of software engineering rather than just the people in your own bubble, I assume that you have a study that informs your belief?
  - phantomathkg 3y ago
    Maybe it is fair to say, probably 50% people develop for fun outside work, and another 50% don't?
    - uoaei 3y ago
      That's an OK prior if you have literally no other information, but still isn't reasonable once you know anything about people.
    - JohnFen 3y ago
      In the absence of data, saying this is just as speculative as saying any other ratio. There's no reason to think any particular ratio is the correct one. That's why I was very careful to point out that I was talking about my personal experience, and wasn't generalizing it to the field as a whole. I have no data to support any speculation about the field as a whole.
  - brewdad 3y ago
    There are an estimated 28 million software developers in the world. How many millions do you know personally? Your circle is incredibly small.
    - xboxnolifes 3y ago
      Everyone's circle is incredibly small by that definition, and those neither opinions hold any weight.
zeroonetwothree 3y ago
Literally zero of the devs I know spend a nontrivial amount of time coding for fun outside of work. Maybe a few small things once a year or so but hardly what I’d consider regular. We do often do ‘fun stuff’ at work though so it kind of scratches that itch