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For these kinds of attacks it's nearly always China, Russia, US, or sometimes Iran. 95% chance it's either China or Russia, here.
by meowface 3y ago
For these kinds of attacks it's nearly always China, Russia, US, or sometimes Iran. 95% chance it's either China or Russia, here.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y agoWhen has it been the US?
- AzzyHN 3y agoWe do a lot of hacking
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y agoI'm sure we do. I don't agree that we attack private civilian enterprise.
- vikramkr 3y agoIf the usa does I don't understand why you expect we'd know about it. Also the us totally does and we do know about it - the nsa buys zero days - it's not exactly a secret lol
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y agoThe same way Cloudflare can report on foreign state hackers, other countries can discover and report on ours, no?
- vikramkr 3y agoRight- and they probably do, and they don't know it was us just like cloudflare doesn't know what country it was. For all we know that cloudflare attack was the US. I don't know why China/Russia/Iran/nk would be able to carry out the cloudflare attack without cloudflare being able to pin who exactly did it while the US is supposed to be so incompetent that we would be immediately identified and called out?
- toyg 3y agoStuxnet?
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y agoStuxnet targeted the uranium enrichment facility at Natanz run by the Iranian government. When does the US attack private enterprise?
- askvictor 3y agoWhen it suits them (i.e. when there is data to be gained). But it's more often done through the courts, and when it needs to be a covert op, I'm guessing they'd get their buddies in friendly countries to do the dirty work.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y agoWell how about some evidence then?
- jrockway 3y agoI mean, did we already forget about Ed Snowden and "SSL added and removed here :-)"?
- askvictor 3y agoI mean there's https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/06/on-the-subversion-of-nist-by-the-nsa.html https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/06/on-the-subver... for one. And you can look for instances of warrant canaries to see where else they've used the existing legal system. As for covert ops, well, they're covert. I don't have any evidence (hence I said "I'm guessing") but that's how I understand secretive agencies do things. If you look at all of the agencies involved in Stuxnet, you'd get the idea that allied countries' secret services tend to work together (or for each other) to some degree when it suits them.
- 0xy 3y agoThe NSA spied on French private companies according to Wikileaks docs from 2015. [1] There's many such cases. They're well known for spying on Siemens as well. With allies like the United States, who needs enemies? [1] https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/wikileaks-enthuellung-nsa-soll-auch-franzoesische-wirtschaft-bespitzelt-haben-a-1041268.html https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/wikileaks-enthuellung...
- toyg 3y agoTheir response program being called "Code Red" is likely a hint.