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Why should someone pay for Youtube music when all songs are basically already free?

by ijhuygft776 3y ago

colesantiago 3y ago
don't underestimate how many customers don't know this and prefer convenience instead.
paxys 3y ago
Songs are free but not ad-free.
- jncfhnb 3y ago
  They are with an ad blocker
al_borland 3y ago
I have YouTube Premium because I want ad free videos, and 90% of my YouTube views are done on an AppleTV. With that, YouTube Music comes bundled. I don’t care about YouTube Music, I think I tried it one time for about 10 minutes. If I could get ad free YouTube without the music service for less money, I do that in a heartbeat.
- ijhuygft776 3y ago
  > I have YouTube Premium because I want ad free videos Does it block sponsored content too? With extensions, you can block both ads and sponsored content. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/sponsorblock/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/sponsorblock/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ublock-origin/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ublock-origin...
  - pdxpatzer 3y ago
    no. YouTube Premium does not block sponsored content.
  - al_borland 3y ago
    Just ads, not sponsored content, but those extensions you speak of aren't a thing on the AppleTV. I can see were the popular parts of the video are, usually just going to the next spike will be the end of the sponsored segment. I haven't found it to be a big deal. The ads, that abruptly interrupt the video, and make you wait for several seconds before you can skip (if you can skip at all) are the things that bug me the most. Sponsorship are minor in comparison. Plus, the better YouTubers will work it into their content, so I may not want to skip it.
- pdxpatzer 3y ago
  ditto for me. word for word.
- wdfx 3y ago
  How have I only just found out that yt premium includes yt music? I've been subscribed to yt music for years but not yt itself. And nowadays I do watch more content on yt than listen on yt music. So it turns out yt premium is pretty much the same price and I can keep using yt music and I now also have no ads on yt itself. That's the easiest upgrade I've ever made.
- bdcravens 3y ago
  I pay for both Spotify and YouTube Premium. I'd love it if I could save money with just YT (which I mostly get to watch things like tutorials without commercials, and my wife watches a ton of vlogs), but it lacks a few things I use (like the ability for our Echo devices to "play {song}" via voice)
  - Suppafly 3y ago
    I'm surprised it doesn't work with Echo devices, you'd think someone would have made a program that fixes it. It works fine with google devices, although it's algorithm sometimes pulls up playlists instead of individual songs, or songs that contain a lyric with the song you specified instead of a less popular song that is actually named what you specified, if you aren't specific.
- mrweasel 3y ago
  YouTube ran a "YouTube Premium without Music" deal in Denmark for about a year. You couldn't "downgrade" to it, nor did they really promote it in any way. In the end they just went "Well, guess no one wants that" and cancelled the program. It was basically impossible to buy, of cause it failed. I would have preferred Apple Music, or some other service, because the YouTube Music interface is apparently heavily inspired by Snapchat and impossible to navigate. But given the racket Google runs, I'll just live with YouTube Music, because I'm not paying for two music services.
  - al_borland 3y ago
    This is disappointing to hear. I remember reading about that deal and was excited for it to be available to me. I pay for Apple Music. It annoys me that I pay for two services, but I really didn't like YouTube Music in my brief interaction with it. If I want to get down to 1 music service, I think I'd sooner drop YouTube Premium. I've been thinking about doing that just to stop me from going down so many rabbit holes on that site. I waste way too much time there.
wdfx 3y ago
Nothing is free. If you enjoy the hard worked output of musicians then you really should contribute something back to the system which supports them and allows the delivery of their creativity to your ears.
- whatshisface 3y ago
  A good way to do that is through donations.
  - _chu1 3y ago
    How do you donate to a 80's hair metal band?
    - whatshisface 3y ago
      If someone isn't around to collect the proceeds of their work anymore, it should go into the public domain.
- ijhuygft776 3y ago
  I guess it's not free, I use electricity, electronics, etc...
- bdcravens 3y ago
  Youtube pays 2/10th of a penny (on average) per stream to artists (and most platforms pay more) https://virpp.com/hello/music-streaming-payouts-comparison-a-guide-for-musicians/ https://virpp.com/hello/music-streaming-payouts-comparison-a...
  - wdfx 3y ago
    I expected this reply and it's good to debate the fairness of platforms towards artists, but I don't really want to get into that. My point is that if you're freeloading music then the artist gets precisely 0.00 which is less even than the worst platform.
dharmab 3y ago
Without YouTube Music you get ads and the apps will pause if you turn off the screen. There are ways around this (eg Orion on iOS) but if you're getting premium anyway you get Music bundled.
- ijhuygft776 3y ago
  If you don't want Firefox to pause the video when you turn off the screen, just switch to desktop mode. Also... you should use something like Newpipe instead...
  - dharmab 3y ago
    Firefox on iOS is pretty lame. No ad blocker and no extensions.
    - ijhuygft776 3y ago
      Desktop mode on Android's Firefox doesn't require extension... if it's not available on I-Phone, it might be soon because I think that they are starting to allow alternate browser engines.
    - shiroiuma 3y ago
      Sounds like a great reason to not use iOS.
      - dharmab 3y ago
        Nah, Orion for iOS works great with built-in ad blocking and Firefox+Chrome extensions support, and the satellite SOS helps my family with peace of mind (I had to be helicoptered out of Nevada a few years ago). It's is way less bulky and less expensive than the inReach I used to carry.
- Suppafly 3y ago
  It's funny, the videos continuing to play when the screen is off, is actually a non-feature for me most of the time because it makes using the back button to get away from a video link you clicked on impossible, you end up having to click back 2-3x and then still hit the x on the little embedded video. The music is already a separate app, they should allow you to disable the background play in the normal app and have it enabled on the music app. Which maybe they do now that I think about it, but I believe when I had checked previously it was a universal setting tied to your google account, not the apps.
reportgunner 3y ago
They think Youtube is going bankrupt

Why should someone pay for Youtube music when all songs are basically already free?

colesantiago 3y ago

don't underestimate how many customers don't know this and prefer convenience instead.

paxys 3y ago

Songs are free but not ad-free.

jncfhnb 3y ago
They are with an ad blocker

al_borland 3y ago

I have YouTube Premium because I want ad free videos, and 90% of my YouTube views are done on an AppleTV. With that, YouTube Music comes bundled. I don’t care about YouTube Music, I think I tried it one time for about 10 minutes. If I could get ad free YouTube without the music service for less money, I do that in a heartbeat.

ijhuygft776 3y ago
> I have YouTube Premium because I want ad free videos Does it block sponsored content too? With extensions, you can block both ads and sponsored content. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/sponsorblock/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/sponsorblock/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ublock-origin/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ublock-origin...
- pdxpatzer 3y ago
  no. YouTube Premium does not block sponsored content.
- al_borland 3y ago
  Just ads, not sponsored content, but those extensions you speak of aren't a thing on the AppleTV. I can see were the popular parts of the video are, usually just going to the next spike will be the end of the sponsored segment. I haven't found it to be a big deal. The ads, that abruptly interrupt the video, and make you wait for several seconds before you can skip (if you can skip at all) are the things that bug me the most. Sponsorship are minor in comparison. Plus, the better YouTubers will work it into their content, so I may not want to skip it.
pdxpatzer 3y ago
ditto for me. word for word.
wdfx 3y ago
How have I only just found out that yt premium includes yt music? I've been subscribed to yt music for years but not yt itself. And nowadays I do watch more content on yt than listen on yt music. So it turns out yt premium is pretty much the same price and I can keep using yt music and I now also have no ads on yt itself. That's the easiest upgrade I've ever made.
bdcravens 3y ago
I pay for both Spotify and YouTube Premium. I'd love it if I could save money with just YT (which I mostly get to watch things like tutorials without commercials, and my wife watches a ton of vlogs), but it lacks a few things I use (like the ability for our Echo devices to "play {song}" via voice)
- Suppafly 3y ago
  I'm surprised it doesn't work with Echo devices, you'd think someone would have made a program that fixes it. It works fine with google devices, although it's algorithm sometimes pulls up playlists instead of individual songs, or songs that contain a lyric with the song you specified instead of a less popular song that is actually named what you specified, if you aren't specific.
mrweasel 3y ago
YouTube ran a "YouTube Premium without Music" deal in Denmark for about a year. You couldn't "downgrade" to it, nor did they really promote it in any way. In the end they just went "Well, guess no one wants that" and cancelled the program. It was basically impossible to buy, of cause it failed. I would have preferred Apple Music, or some other service, because the YouTube Music interface is apparently heavily inspired by Snapchat and impossible to navigate. But given the racket Google runs, I'll just live with YouTube Music, because I'm not paying for two music services.
- al_borland 3y ago
  This is disappointing to hear. I remember reading about that deal and was excited for it to be available to me. I pay for Apple Music. It annoys me that I pay for two services, but I really didn't like YouTube Music in my brief interaction with it. If I want to get down to 1 music service, I think I'd sooner drop YouTube Premium. I've been thinking about doing that just to stop me from going down so many rabbit holes on that site. I waste way too much time there.

wdfx 3y ago

Nothing is free. If you enjoy the hard worked output of musicians then you really should contribute something back to the system which supports them and allows the delivery of their creativity to your ears.

whatshisface 3y ago
A good way to do that is through donations.
- _chu1 3y ago
  How do you donate to a 80's hair metal band?
  - whatshisface 3y ago
    If someone isn't around to collect the proceeds of their work anymore, it should go into the public domain.
ijhuygft776 3y ago
I guess it's not free, I use electricity, electronics, etc...
bdcravens 3y ago
Youtube pays 2/10th of a penny (on average) per stream to artists (and most platforms pay more) https://virpp.com/hello/music-streaming-payouts-comparison-a-guide-for-musicians/ https://virpp.com/hello/music-streaming-payouts-comparison-a...
- wdfx 3y ago
  I expected this reply and it's good to debate the fairness of platforms towards artists, but I don't really want to get into that. My point is that if you're freeloading music then the artist gets precisely 0.00 which is less even than the worst platform.

dharmab 3y ago

Without YouTube Music you get ads and the apps will pause if you turn off the screen. There are ways around this (eg Orion on iOS) but if you're getting premium anyway you get Music bundled.

ijhuygft776 3y ago
If you don't want Firefox to pause the video when you turn off the screen, just switch to desktop mode. Also... you should use something like Newpipe instead...
- dharmab 3y ago
  Firefox on iOS is pretty lame. No ad blocker and no extensions.
  - ijhuygft776 3y ago
    Desktop mode on Android's Firefox doesn't require extension... if it's not available on I-Phone, it might be soon because I think that they are starting to allow alternate browser engines.
  - shiroiuma 3y ago
    Sounds like a great reason to not use iOS.
    - dharmab 3y ago
      Nah, Orion for iOS works great with built-in ad blocking and Firefox+Chrome extensions support, and the satellite SOS helps my family with peace of mind (I had to be helicoptered out of Nevada a few years ago). It's is way less bulky and less expensive than the inReach I used to carry.
Suppafly 3y ago
It's funny, the videos continuing to play when the screen is off, is actually a non-feature for me most of the time because it makes using the back button to get away from a video link you clicked on impossible, you end up having to click back 2-3x and then still hit the x on the little embedded video. The music is already a separate app, they should allow you to disable the background play in the normal app and have it enabled on the music app. Which maybe they do now that I think about it, but I believe when I had checked previously it was a universal setting tied to your google account, not the apps.

reportgunner 3y ago

They think Youtube is going bankrupt