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To be fair, in most cases it's just a matter of costs and time. Following regulations can be cumbersome, especially if it's for a foreign market where you have

To be fair, in most cases it's just a matter of costs and time. Following regulations can be cumbersome, especially if it's for a foreign market where you have little to no personal experience. So you need to outsource to a team who has the experience and knowledge. And with a fast moving target, like AI, this is not really an option until the project is stable enough.

AnimalMuppet 3y ago
Yeah, exactly. Even if you're doing perfectly fine things, compliance costs. If the revenue from Europe isn't worth it (or isn't worth it yet), well, Europe doesn't get access to whatever it is you're doing.
toyg 3y ago
Even ignoring the fact that the AI Act has not been formally approved yet (although it looks done), the forbidden activities are listed as: biometric categorisation systems that use sensitive characteristics (e.g. political, religious, philosophical beliefs, sexual orientation, race); untargeted scraping of facial images from the internet or CCTV footage to create facial recognition databases; emotion recognition in the workplace and educational institutions; social scoring based on social behaviour or personal characteristics; AI systems that manipulate human behaviour to circumvent their free will; AI used to exploit the vulnerabilities of people (due to their age, disability, social or economic situation). Is any of this so hard NOT to do...? To me it just looks like Google is being petty here.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > Is any of this so hard NOT to do...? Easy not to do. Difficult to probably verify with legal and compliance. In a fast-moving field, it’s reasonable to avoid the compliance tax while you and the ecosystem are aligning. Once it’s ready, a finished product can be shipped to high-cost jurisdictions.
  - toyg 3y ago
    Google ships crap to Europe every other day, I find it hard to believe that they don't have quick processes for basic compliance.
- epups 3y ago
  Most likely they are worried about copyright and GDPR issues, not those concerning AI specifically (yet).
  - toyg 3y ago
    Copyright is copyright everywhere, it's actually a much more annoying topic in lawsuit-friendly US. GDPR - by now everyone knows what to (not) do to avoid problems with that: just let people be in control of their data. If you can't guarantee that, it means you're doing shady shit that you probably shouldn't be doing.

AnimalMuppet 3y ago

Yeah, exactly. Even if you're doing perfectly fine things, compliance costs. If the revenue from Europe isn't worth it (or isn't worth it yet), well, Europe doesn't get access to whatever it is you're doing.

toyg 3y ago

Even ignoring the fact that the AI Act has not been formally approved yet (although it looks done), the forbidden activities are listed as: biometric categorisation systems that use sensitive characteristics (e.g. political, religious, philosophical beliefs, sexual orientation, race); untargeted scraping of facial images from the internet or CCTV footage to create facial recognition databases; emotion recognition in the workplace and educational institutions; social scoring based on social behaviour or personal characteristics; AI systems that manipulate human behaviour to circumvent their free will; AI used to exploit the vulnerabilities of people (due to their age, disability, social or economic situation). Is any of this so hard NOT to do...? To me it just looks like Google is being petty here.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> Is any of this so hard NOT to do...? Easy not to do. Difficult to probably verify with legal and compliance. In a fast-moving field, it’s reasonable to avoid the compliance tax while you and the ecosystem are aligning. Once it’s ready, a finished product can be shipped to high-cost jurisdictions.
- toyg 3y ago
  Google ships crap to Europe every other day, I find it hard to believe that they don't have quick processes for basic compliance.
epups 3y ago
Most likely they are worried about copyright and GDPR issues, not those concerning AI specifically (yet).
- toyg 3y ago
  Copyright is copyright everywhere, it's actually a much more annoying topic in lawsuit-friendly US. GDPR - by now everyone knows what to (not) do to avoid problems with that: just let people be in control of their data. If you can't guarantee that, it means you're doing shady shit that you probably shouldn't be doing.