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OR. Are they cleaning up their environment. Like actually doing what we only 'talk' about. Remember a few years ago when Beijing was all smog and smoke. Unive

OR. Are they cleaning up their environment. Like actually doing what we only 'talk' about. Remember a few years ago when Beijing was all smog and smoke. Universally condemned for such bad air quality? Now they do something about it, to be better, and the 'right' is "it's just government subsidies, wish we could still pollute our environment like the good old days".

anonymouskimmer 3y ago
I remember in the early 90s in China. Buildings got deliveries of coal to burn for their boilers. Out during a rainstorm in Beijing I came inside literally dirty with black soot (either the rain had nucleated around the soot particles, or it washed them out of the air).
synergy20 3y ago
there is no magic, the manufacture industry caused lots of environmental damage and they are just fixing it now, the way out probably be nuclear plants, and the new coal plants are said to be much more cleaner(I'm not sure). US in general is much less polluted as far as I can tell.
retrac 3y ago
China's ongoing industrialization is so immense, that any and all forms of energy are desirable - coal, natural gas, nuclear, solar, wind, hydro - all are being built as fast as they can be. > China leads the world in constructing new solar and new wind, while also building more coal plants than any other country, the report finds. https://www.npr.org/2023/03/02/1160441919/china-is-building-six-times-more-new-coal-plants-than-other-countries-report-fin https://www.npr.org/2023/03/02/1160441919/china-is-building-...
BurningFrog 3y ago
The west cleaned up the environment 50 years ago. China is just about getting started. This is the normal development. As countries lift themselves out of poverty, pollution doesn't become a priority until they reach a certain prosperity level.
- anonymouskimmer 3y ago
  To put this in perspective, according to Macrotrends on GDP per capita (not adjusting for purchasing power parity, I assume) China is now at the point that the US was in 1980, and in 2014 was at the place the US was in 1974. https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/gdp-per-capita https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/gdp-... https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/CHN/china/gdp-per-capita https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/CHN/china/gdp-per-capi...

anonymouskimmer 3y ago

I remember in the early 90s in China. Buildings got deliveries of coal to burn for their boilers. Out during a rainstorm in Beijing I came inside literally dirty with black soot (either the rain had nucleated around the soot particles, or it washed them out of the air).

synergy20 3y ago

there is no magic, the manufacture industry caused lots of environmental damage and they are just fixing it now, the way out probably be nuclear plants, and the new coal plants are said to be much more cleaner(I'm not sure). US in general is much less polluted as far as I can tell.

retrac 3y ago

China's ongoing industrialization is so immense, that any and all forms of energy are desirable - coal, natural gas, nuclear, solar, wind, hydro - all are being built as fast as they can be. > China leads the world in constructing new solar and new wind, while also building more coal plants than any other country, the report finds. https://www.npr.org/2023/03/02/1160441919/china-is-building-six-times-more-new-coal-plants-than-other-countries-report-fin https://www.npr.org/2023/03/02/1160441919/china-is-building-...

BurningFrog 3y ago

The west cleaned up the environment 50 years ago. China is just about getting started. This is the normal development. As countries lift themselves out of poverty, pollution doesn't become a priority until they reach a certain prosperity level.

anonymouskimmer 3y ago
To put this in perspective, according to Macrotrends on GDP per capita (not adjusting for purchasing power parity, I assume) China is now at the point that the US was in 1980, and in 2014 was at the place the US was in 1974. https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/gdp-per-capita https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/gdp-... https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/CHN/china/gdp-per-capita https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/CHN/china/gdp-per-capi...