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Quadratic – Figma-for-Spreadsheets – Is Multiplayer

40 points by davidkircos 3y ago

davidkircos 3y ago
Hi, I am David Kircos. The Founder of Quadratic (https://QuadraticHQ.com https://QuadraticHQ.com), an open-source spreadsheet application for engineers that supports Python, SQL (coming soon), and classic Formulas. Unlike other spreadsheets, Quadratic has an infinite canvas (like Figma). As a result, you can pinch and zoom to navigate large data sets, and everything renders smoothly at 60fps. Today, we launched real-time Multiplayer on Product Hunt! Quadratic is built using WebGL and Rust WASM. We built our multiplayer service from scratch in Rust to handle large amounts of data smoothly. For smooth rendering of a large grid of data, cells and text are rendered using low-level WebGL for performance. If you are interested in the technical details, check us out on GitHub (https://github.com/quadratichq/quadratic/ https://github.com/quadratichq/quadratic/) What do you think? Can we make a spreadsheet that developers actually enjoy using?
- BrittonR 3y ago
  Congrats on the launch! I was just looking at the Multiplayer PR earlier this week and was hoping it would be released soon. I’ve always been frustrated with Excel and you’ve built a product that I’ve legit dreamed of for years. Thanks for building in CO!
  - davidkircos 3y ago
    Thank you! Yes, Quadratic was built out of frustration from existing spreadsheets. If a spreadsheet was built today... it would support modern programming languages, be fast, multiplayer from day 1, have a great API, speak with databases natively, This is what we are building!
- dustingetz 3y ago
  How do you handle server sync? What is the use case? You don't seem to be for application building, rather for doing analysis work (https://www.quadratichq.com/examples https://www.quadratichq.com/examples) where the main problem you solve is "No more squinting into a tiny terminal to see your data output"? So this is a data swiss army knife for developers, a dev sidecar if you will that attaches to your python REPL i guess. How do you make money?
  - davidkircos 3y ago
    The use case is doing analysis work as a team, with some engineers and some people only familiar with spreadsheets all being able to work together. Quadratic is always free for individuals, and we will be paid for Teams, which will be shared folders that we are launching in a couple of weeks.
- paulgb 3y ago
  Congrats on releasing this! I had a look at the server code. Is the idea that you will just vertically scale up the server to handle the load, or is there a mechanism for scaling out horizontally? [1] https://github.com/quadratichq/quadratic/blob/main/quadratic-multiplayer/src/server.rs https://github.com/quadratichq/quadratic/blob/main/quadratic...
  - davidkircos 3y ago
    The `quadratic-multiplayer` service is designed to be scaled vertically. Once we hit that limit, we will need to come up with a way to route traffic to servers based on what file a user is accessing and what server is hosting that room. Every other service can be scaled horizontally today. However, the Rust services are very efficient at processing traffic, and a single node can handle significant usage.
    - paulgb 3y ago
      Gotcha, makes sense. I've heard stories of vertical scaling going a *long* way for multiplayer servers if they’re essentially relaying messages. > we will need to come up with a way to route traffic to servers based on what file a user is accessing and what server is hosting that room Shameless plug, but you might like https://plane.dev https://plane.dev for this.
      - davidkircos 3y ago
        Plane.dev looks awesome. We will check it out!
- josephg 3y ago
  Cool! I’ve spent a lot of time building OT and CRDT based collaborative editing. What approach did you go with for quadratic? What were the pain points you had with existing systems that motivated you to write your own?
  - flashgordon 3y ago
    Was only a matter of time before I saw this question here and from you Joe! Only annoyed you beat me to it this time!
- genman 3y ago
  Cool. Now please edit the title and remove the open-source label or make it open-source. https://github.com/quadratichq/quadratic/issues/824 https://github.com/quadratichq/quadratic/issues/824
- ebiester 3y ago
  It depends on the license and pricing. I'd love to consider bringing to my org, but not if I don't have a true path. I won't even evaluate it unless I have a clear path to use.
datadrivenangel 3y ago
How does this compare to Google Sheets or Excel on o365?
- davidkircos 3y ago
  Quadratic speaks Python natively and is built on an infinite canvas!
hsnewman 3y ago
Wouldn't it be called multi-user?
- starkparker 3y ago
  Apparently not anymore, since a more "fun" word exists for multiple users of a calculator
- bitvoid 3y ago
  "Multiplayer" seems like a weird term outside of video games, but I think it conveys multiple real-time concurrent users more than just "multi-user" would.
  - zzo38computer 3y ago
    That is what I thought, too.
- davidkircos 3y ago
  Multiplayer is more fun :)
- toasterlovin 3y ago
  Multiplayer has become the term of art for concurrent editing of the same data structure by multiple users.
sneak 3y ago
The license in the repo says all rights reserved. This is not open source. https://github.com/quadratichq/quadratic/blob/main/LICENSE https://github.com/quadratichq/quadratic/blob/main/LICENSE Please do not call yourself open source if you are only source available. That’s false advertising.
sevg 3y ago
This is not open source(!). Edit: There's no obvious mention of open source on their website or docs (presumably because that would be legally unwise), so it's false advertising on HN for likes. Relevant GitHub issue: https://github.com/quadratichq/quadratic/issues/824 https://github.com/quadratichq/quadratic/issues/824
- davidkircos 3y ago
  Quadratic's source code is openly available on Github, we will amend our language to "open access" going forward. We are far more open than any other spreadsheet, and pride ourselves on that!
  - sneak 3y ago
    The term you are looking for is “source available”. Using “open” is deceptive. Your source code is not “openly available” simply because you have published it.
    - _a_a_a_ 3y ago
      Interesting; any pointers to the difference would be welcome, TIA
      - swyx 3y ago
        linked in the github issue: "Quadratic's source code is available publicly in this repo. However, we do not provide any license to use, modify, or distribute our code." so you can look at it but dont have permission to use it
      - dwb 3y ago
        This a very widely accepted one: https://opensource.org/osd/ https://opensource.org/osd/
mitchbob 3y ago
Sounds fantastic. Any word on what the pricing will be when it's launched?
- davidkircos 3y ago
  We will always be free for individual use, and our Teams pricing will initially be between $10-20 /user/month.
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40 points by davidkircos 3y ago

Hi, I am David Kircos. The Founder of Quadratic (https://QuadraticHQ.com https://QuadraticHQ.com), an open-source spreadsheet application for engineers that supports Python, SQL (coming soon), and classic Formulas. Unlike other spreadsheets, Quadratic has an infinite canvas (like Figma). As a result, you can pinch and zoom to navigate large data sets, and everything renders smoothly at 60fps. Today, we launched real-time Multiplayer on Product Hunt! Quadratic is built using WebGL and Rust WASM. We built our multiplayer service from scratch in Rust to handle large amounts of data smoothly. For smooth rendering of a large grid of data, cells and text are rendered using low-level WebGL for performance. If you are interested in the technical details, check us out on GitHub (https://github.com/quadratichq/quadratic/ https://github.com/quadratichq/quadratic/) What do you think? Can we make a spreadsheet that developers actually enjoy using?

BrittonR 3y ago
Congrats on the launch! I was just looking at the Multiplayer PR earlier this week and was hoping it would be released soon. I’ve always been frustrated with Excel and you’ve built a product that I’ve legit dreamed of for years. Thanks for building in CO!
- davidkircos 3y ago
  Thank you! Yes, Quadratic was built out of frustration from existing spreadsheets. If a spreadsheet was built today... it would support modern programming languages, be fast, multiplayer from day 1, have a great API, speak with databases natively, This is what we are building!
dustingetz 3y ago
How do you handle server sync? What is the use case? You don't seem to be for application building, rather for doing analysis work (https://www.quadratichq.com/examples https://www.quadratichq.com/examples) where the main problem you solve is "No more squinting into a tiny terminal to see your data output"? So this is a data swiss army knife for developers, a dev sidecar if you will that attaches to your python REPL i guess. How do you make money?
- davidkircos 3y ago
  The use case is doing analysis work as a team, with some engineers and some people only familiar with spreadsheets all being able to work together. Quadratic is always free for individuals, and we will be paid for Teams, which will be shared folders that we are launching in a couple of weeks.
paulgb 3y ago
Congrats on releasing this! I had a look at the server code. Is the idea that you will just vertically scale up the server to handle the load, or is there a mechanism for scaling out horizontally? [1] https://github.com/quadratichq/quadratic/blob/main/quadratic-multiplayer/src/server.rs https://github.com/quadratichq/quadratic/blob/main/quadratic...
- davidkircos 3y ago
  The `quadratic-multiplayer` service is designed to be scaled vertically. Once we hit that limit, we will need to come up with a way to route traffic to servers based on what file a user is accessing and what server is hosting that room. Every other service can be scaled horizontally today. However, the Rust services are very efficient at processing traffic, and a single node can handle significant usage.
  - paulgb 3y ago
    Gotcha, makes sense. I've heard stories of vertical scaling going a *long* way for multiplayer servers if they’re essentially relaying messages. > we will need to come up with a way to route traffic to servers based on what file a user is accessing and what server is hosting that room Shameless plug, but you might like https://plane.dev https://plane.dev for this.
    - davidkircos 3y ago
      Plane.dev looks awesome. We will check it out!
josephg 3y ago
Cool! I’ve spent a lot of time building OT and CRDT based collaborative editing. What approach did you go with for quadratic? What were the pain points you had with existing systems that motivated you to write your own?
- flashgordon 3y ago
  Was only a matter of time before I saw this question here and from you Joe! Only annoyed you beat me to it this time!
genman 3y ago
Cool. Now please edit the title and remove the open-source label or make it open-source. https://github.com/quadratichq/quadratic/issues/824 https://github.com/quadratichq/quadratic/issues/824
ebiester 3y ago
It depends on the license and pricing. I'd love to consider bringing to my org, but not if I don't have a true path. I won't even evaluate it unless I have a clear path to use.

datadrivenangel 3y ago

How does this compare to Google Sheets or Excel on o365?

davidkircos 3y ago
Quadratic speaks Python natively and is built on an infinite canvas!

hsnewman 3y ago

Wouldn't it be called multi-user?

starkparker 3y ago
Apparently not anymore, since a more "fun" word exists for multiple users of a calculator
bitvoid 3y ago
"Multiplayer" seems like a weird term outside of video games, but I think it conveys multiple real-time concurrent users more than just "multi-user" would.
- zzo38computer 3y ago
  That is what I thought, too.
davidkircos 3y ago
Multiplayer is more fun :)
toasterlovin 3y ago
Multiplayer has become the term of art for concurrent editing of the same data structure by multiple users.

sneak 3y ago

The license in the repo says all rights reserved. This is not open source. https://github.com/quadratichq/quadratic/blob/main/LICENSE https://github.com/quadratichq/quadratic/blob/main/LICENSE Please do not call yourself open source if you are only source available. That’s false advertising.

sevg 3y ago

This is not open source(!). Edit: There's no obvious mention of open source on their website or docs (presumably because that would be legally unwise), so it's false advertising on HN for likes. Relevant GitHub issue: https://github.com/quadratichq/quadratic/issues/824 https://github.com/quadratichq/quadratic/issues/824

davidkircos 3y ago
Quadratic's source code is openly available on Github, we will amend our language to "open access" going forward. We are far more open than any other spreadsheet, and pride ourselves on that!
- sneak 3y ago
  The term you are looking for is “source available”. Using “open” is deceptive. Your source code is not “openly available” simply because you have published it.
  - _a_a_a_ 3y ago
    Interesting; any pointers to the difference would be welcome, TIA
    - swyx 3y ago
      linked in the github issue: "Quadratic's source code is available publicly in this repo. However, we do not provide any license to use, modify, or distribute our code." so you can look at it but dont have permission to use it
    - dwb 3y ago
      This a very widely accepted one: https://opensource.org/osd/ https://opensource.org/osd/

mitchbob 3y ago

Sounds fantastic. Any word on what the pricing will be when it's launched?

davidkircos 3y ago
We will always be free for individual use, and our Teams pricing will initially be between $10-20 /user/month.

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