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A truly damn small Linux is the xwoaf rebuild project 4.0 https://pupngo.dk/xwinflpy/xwoaf_rebuild.html https://pupngo.dk/xwinflpy/xwoaf_rebuild.html >The fort
by haunter 3y ago
A truly damn small Linux is the xwoaf rebuild project 4.0 https://pupngo.dk/xwinflpy/xwoaf_rebuild.html https://pupngo.dk/xwinflpy/xwoaf_rebuild.html
>The forth version of xwoaf-rebuild is containing a lot of applications contained in only two binaries: busybox and mcb_xawplus. You get xcalc, xcalendar, xfilemanager, xminesweep, chimera, xed, xsetroot, xcmd, xinit, menu, jwm, desklaunch, rxvt, xtet42, torsmo, djpeg, xban2, text2pdf, Xvesa, xsnap, xmessage, xvl, xtmix, pupslock, xautolock and minimp3 via mcb_xawplus. And you get ash, basename, bunzip2, busybox, bzcat, cat, chgrp, chmod,
chown, chroot, clear, cp, cut, date, dd, df, dirname, dmesg, du,
echo, env, extlinux, false, fdisk, fgrep, find, free, getty, grep,
gunzip, gzip, halt, head, hostname, id, ifconfig, init, insmod,
kill, killall, klogd, ln, loadkmap, logger, login, losetup, ls,
lsmod, lzmacat, mesg, mkdir, mke2fs, mkfs.ext2, mkfs.ext3, mknod,
mkswap, mount, mv, nslookup, openvt, passwd, ping, poweroff, pr,
ps, pwd, readlink, reboot, reset, rm, rmdir, rmmod, route, sed,
sh, sleep, sort, swapoff, swapon, sync, syslogd, tail, tar, test,
top, touch, tr, true, tty, udhcpc, umount, uname, uncompress,
unlzma, unzip, uptime, wc, which, whoami, yes, zcat
via busybox. On top you get extensive help system, install scripts, mount scripts, configure scripts etc.
2.1mb https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8or3ehc5YDo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8or3ehc5YDo
Only 2.2.26 kernel tho so that's very dated
- vardump 3y ago"2.1mb https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8or3ehc5YDo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8or3ehc5YDo" 2.1 MB installed? The ISO file seemed to be just 1716224 bytes (1.7MB).
- haunter 3y agoI was checking the final version (xwoaf_rebuild4.iso), that is 2205696 bytes
- moffkalast 3y agoSo uh, who's gonna be first to get it running on a Pi Pico?
- vardump 3y agoNo one, unless you’re using a CPU emulator or a JIT with an SPI RAM. RP2040 doesn't have memory protection / virtual memory capability and has only 264 kB (or so) RAM.
- em3rgent0rdr 3y agoPico is a microcontroller whose Cortex-M0+ cores lack a memory management unit for virtual memory (considered essential for a full-fledged OS like Linux). But can run FreeRTOS on it...memory usages are 236 bytes for the scheduler, 76 bytes + queue storage area for each queue, and 64 bytes plus task stack size for each task, plus 5 to 10 KBytes of ROM.[1] [1] https://freertos.org/FAQMem.html https://freertos.org/FAQMem.html
- moffkalast 3y agoYeah I figured there might be a rub somewhere otherwise it would already be a thing, but since it's technically an ARM it sounded vaguely promising. What about a 32 bit build? I think those used to be able to work with without virtual addresses.
- NegativeLatency 3y agohttps://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/190350/mmu-less-kernel https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/190350/mmu-less-ker...
- em3rgent0rdr 3y agoaha, and this reminds me about μClinux [1] which targets microcontrollers without a MMU. I installing it on 2005 iPod Classic 5G, and was able to then put a gameboy emulator on it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%9CClinux https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%9CClinux
- em3rgent0rdr 3y agoThough μClinux project seems dead, however the key component of that is a ELF to bFLT (binary flat) converter [1] for no-mmu Linux targets, which is alive on github [2]. [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20120301074213/https://retired.beyondlogic.org/uClinux/bflt.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20120301074213/https://retired.b... [2] https://github.com/uclinux-dev/elf2flt https://github.com/uclinux-dev/elf2flt
- MichaelZuo 3y agoI think it's possible to get Windows 7 Ultimate down below 2GB, so a comparatively impressive Linux build should definitely be a lot smaller.
- abbbi 3y agowindows PE is way smaller, boots live around ~250 MB in size. Of course without any namely applications.
- k__ 3y agoIf it can run a browser, I'm sold.
- anotherhue 3y agoLynx perhaps but otherwise I think you're a few orders of magnitude off.
- Zardoz84 3y agowow! In the same league of μLinux (muLinux). I remember back in the day, running a full X11 environment with only two floppies.
- doubled112 3y agoI seem to remember formatting a 1.44 MB floppy to fit more data on it, and it might have been for this.
- yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago> Only 2.2.26 kernel tho so that's very dated The whole thing is dated; that looks like more of a retrocomputing project (mostly) than an updated version. I mean, busybox 1.00 is probably fine for what it is, but it's not exactly new. (Note that this is a clarification but not a criticism; having played with things like "how old of a distro can I shove in docker and run on a current kernel", I certainly support retrocomputing, I just think we should acknowledge that that's what we're doing)
- haunter 3y agoYeah agreed. Given the toolchain source is available I wonder how low we can go with a modern kernel and the newest busybox
- yjftsjthsd-h 3y agoI don't think you can use the old toolchain; newer kernel+busybox are unlikely to build with that old of a compiler. Although, following the build steps with modern sources and toolchain would be an interesting exercise.
- haunter 3y ago>Although, following the build steps with modern sources and toolchain would be an interesting exercise. Might do that this weekend
- FreeFull 3y agoIt would be rather difficult to fit any newer linux kernel onto a floppy, together with all the other software.
- hackneyedruse 3y agoThis article says > The new goal of DSL is to pack as much usable desktop distribution into an image small enough to fit on a single CD, or a hard limit of 700MB.
- Medox 3y agoThe desktop reminds me of TinyCore Linux, although bigger by 15-20 MB. Fun fact: It was developed by Robert Shingledecker, who was previously the lead developer of Damn Small Linux.
- devsda 3y agoAround 2009-10s when keeping a dedicated usb drive for live images was relatively expensive (for me), I had a small partition with tinycore installed as a recovery os alongside windows & another full distro. I never had to use tinycore for recovery but it gave me enough confidence to keep messing with new packages and drivers. Due to its small footprint the boot times almost felt like instant on.