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Alfred Bester has fallen into obscurity for sure. How do you figure Bester and not Lem as the grandfather?

• TheOtherHobbes 3y ago
  Bester and Lem are amazing in their different ways, and it's tragic that both aren't better known. I wouldn't put one over the other, but I think Bester gets the call because his view was classic mid-century US, and was an obvious influence on Cyberpunk. Lem had a different more subtle aesthetic.
• flohofwoe 3y ago
  IMHO Lem's work has a lot of "cyber" but no "punk" in it ;) E.g. while Lem's future (in his science fiction books) isn't exactly a happy utopia, it's also not the depressing dystopia I would associate with "cyberpunk" - but maybe... "Peace on Earth" might qualify as "robopunk"? :)
• Apocryphon 3y ago
  John Brunner is closer to being a cyberpunk grandfather, imo
  • drakenot 3y ago
    I just remember reading The Stars My Destination from Bester and noticing all these elements: * Mega-corporations with immense power and influence over all of society (Kodak of Kodak) * Drug dens offering synthetic designer drugs that made people feel as if they were various animals. * The protagonist receiving an upgrade to his nervous system, including a tooth-based switch that allowed him to 'speed up' for brief periods. * Status symbols of the ultra-rich, such as using the most elaborate physical conveyances in an era of effortless teleportation. I'm probably missing some, but it felt like such a prototype novel to something like Neuromancer and was written in 1956!