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It will be interesting to see how this plays out between two different scenarios: 1. Real-world photographs of people, minors or otherwise, that are altered vi

It will be interesting to see how this plays out between two different scenarios: 1. Real-world photographs of people, minors or otherwise, that are altered via photoshop/AI/hand/etc. and then disseminated 2. Images, that appear or seem to be of minors, created entirely through synthetic means (photoshop/AI/hand/etc.) and then disseminated Can drawings be illegal?

Spivak 3y ago
> Can drawings be illegal? Yes, very much so. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_fictional_pornography_depicting_minors https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_fictional_po... Wikipedia calls the US a legal grey area but it really isn't. It's just a long road to, "yep still illegal."
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shzhdbi09gv8ioi 3y ago
> Can drawings be illegal? For sure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_fictional_pornography_depicting_minors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_fictional_porn...
- djoldman 3y ago
  Thanks for this! If wikipedia is correct, it seems that this is clearly answered. > The PROTECT Act also enacted 18 U.S.C. § 1466A into U.S. obscenity law:[122] > Section 1466A of Title 18, United States Code, makes it illegal for any person to knowingly produce, distribute, receive, or possess with intent to transfer or distribute visual representations, such as drawings, cartoons, or paintings that appear to depict minors engaged in sexually explicit conduct and are deemed obscene. > Thus, virtual and drawn pornographic depictions of minors may still be found illegal under U.S. federal obscenity law. The obscenity law further states in section C "It is not a required element of any offense under this section that the minor depicted actually exist." The difficult part of this is the phrase, "...that appear to depict minors..."
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mikhailfranco 3y ago
Synthetic AI images (2) would have to be trained on a corpus of real images (1), except in the very unlikely event that many child-porn images are generated by photo-realistic rendering of 3D animated models (CGI), where the 3D models are entirely created and animated by real content creators (i.e. entirely synthetic). So I think the default assumption for most realistic AI-generated images, is that they were generated from at least some real photographs. I am not an expert in AI images, but perhaps there is a way for AI to be trained on real pictures of children (innocuous, clothed, etc.), combined with real images of adult porn to create novel realistic child porn.
- shaky-carrousel 3y ago
  Hm, I'm thinking, if there's a way to convert a real image of a person into a manga version (there's ton of them on the internet) the reverse should be true. So you would just have to train it with manga (which is legal in Japan, for example), and then convert it to real. No real people dataset needed.
mikhailfranco 3y ago
Japan seems to be an interesting case, where real porn was censored, so it encouraged thriving comic-book manga/anime/hentai cartoon porn, that seems to be legal there (you see sararīman reading them on the commuter trains!). Censorship is the mother of metaphor - J.L.Borges P.S. Japan does appear in the long list of legal exceptions in the Wikipedia article linked by sibling comments

Spivak 3y ago

> Can drawings be illegal? Yes, very much so. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_fictional_pornography_depicting_minors https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_fictional_po... Wikipedia calls the US a legal grey area but it really isn't. It's just a long road to, "yep still illegal."

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shzhdbi09gv8ioi 3y ago

> Can drawings be illegal? For sure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_fictional_pornography_depicting_minors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_fictional_porn...

djoldman 3y ago
Thanks for this! If wikipedia is correct, it seems that this is clearly answered. > The PROTECT Act also enacted 18 U.S.C. § 1466A into U.S. obscenity law:[122] > Section 1466A of Title 18, United States Code, makes it illegal for any person to knowingly produce, distribute, receive, or possess with intent to transfer or distribute visual representations, such as drawings, cartoons, or paintings that appear to depict minors engaged in sexually explicit conduct and are deemed obscene. > Thus, virtual and drawn pornographic depictions of minors may still be found illegal under U.S. federal obscenity law. The obscenity law further states in section C "It is not a required element of any offense under this section that the minor depicted actually exist." The difficult part of this is the phrase, "...that appear to depict minors..."
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mikhailfranco 3y ago

Synthetic AI images (2) would have to be trained on a corpus of real images (1), except in the very unlikely event that many child-porn images are generated by photo-realistic rendering of 3D animated models (CGI), where the 3D models are entirely created and animated by real content creators (i.e. entirely synthetic). So I think the default assumption for most realistic AI-generated images, is that they were generated from at least some real photographs. I am not an expert in AI images, but perhaps there is a way for AI to be trained on real pictures of children (innocuous, clothed, etc.), combined with real images of adult porn to create novel realistic child porn.

shaky-carrousel 3y ago
Hm, I'm thinking, if there's a way to convert a real image of a person into a manga version (there's ton of them on the internet) the reverse should be true. So you would just have to train it with manga (which is legal in Japan, for example), and then convert it to real. No real people dataset needed.

mikhailfranco 3y ago

Japan seems to be an interesting case, where real porn was censored, so it encouraged thriving comic-book manga/anime/hentai cartoon porn, that seems to be legal there (you see sararīman reading them on the commuter trains!). Censorship is the mother of metaphor - J.L.Borges P.S. Japan does appear in the long list of legal exceptions in the Wikipedia article linked by sibling comments