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When other cultures try to impose their morals on the west, we say it is oppression (eg. compulsary headscarves). When we try to impose our morals on others,

When other cultures try to impose their morals on the west, we say it is oppression (eg. compulsary headscarves). When we try to impose our morals on others, that's somehow totally different, and they need to follow our rules even if they're in a totally different country.

LtWorf 3y ago
Hehehehehe, my code of conduct starts with "No USA cultural imperialism allowed" (https://codeberg.org/ltworf/international_code_of_conduct/src/branch/master/CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md https://codeberg.org/ltworf/international_code_of_conduct/sr...) Some people loved it, some others told me I'll never find a job because I'm a bad person who can't work with others (I have a job). edit: in case that wasn't clear, it still doesn't allow child porn…
- namaria 3y ago
  Ironically in trying to transcend a conflict you never needed to transcend because you're not even a part of, you just sound like you picked a side.
  - LtWorf 3y ago
    It is purely based on past experience of who opens bug reports to complain about things.
    - namaria 3y ago
      And you chose to react to it by publishing something about it. It wasn't inevitable. You can always ignore irrelevant issues.
      - LtWorf 3y ago
        Code of conduct is compulsory these days, or github nags you about lacking it. And I couldn't pick one of those that say "no skill discrimination", since that is just wrong. So since I had to write my own, might as well address the issues I've encountered.
        namaria 3y ago
        Yeah that's my whole point. You made a choice to position yourself in a debate where you don't even have a voice and in pretending to transcend it you just sound like one of the sides in it.
        LtWorf 3y ago
        Your whole point is saying that I'm wrong, while having no coherent argument for what you're saying. Ok. Can you come up with an argument next time?
        namaria 3y ago
        Nah it's pretty clear. You are pretending to transcend an American political issue, in a debate where your opinion don't matter in the slightest, but failed and simply took a pretty tired position.
        LtWorf 3y ago
        My opinion does matter :) The code of conduct is there to inform people that if they want to contribute to projects where that code of conduct is adopted, acting like you are doing now will get them a ban.
        namaria 3y ago
        Good thing you have that power to make you feel good huh
        LtWorf 3y ago
        You get horny telling random people on the internet "your opinion doesn't count". I write free software to help others. We aren't the same.
        namaria 3y ago
justaman 3y ago
Modern progressive discourse argues that when the west exports their culture it is native-erasure and neo-colonialism(ie racist). So I think your argument is very much up for debate. Sometimes a part of someone's culture is trash. Sure the Mayans built cool temples, but they were also ultra violent. It sure sounds a lot like you are defending pedos here...
- blueflow 3y ago
  "Modern progressive discourse" is an US culture export. Also is using "racism" as a substitute for "bad". And what would be a pedo by US standards might be legal and fine in other countries (looking at Japan lolicon situation).
- namaria 3y ago
  Why would you think Mayans are any more violent than other contemporary or later civilizations?
  - ben_w 3y ago
    The reputation of the Mayans was of large scale human sacrifice. As I am not a historian I have no idea how accurate this reputation is, but that reputation is a reason for thinking they were more violent than the average contemporary or later civilisations… …although now I realise I have no idea how it compares to the mass burning of suspected witches in parts of europe.
    - namaria 3y ago
      Unjustified killings are still a thing. Are Mayans ultra violent but Russians not?
      - ben_w 3y ago
        Perhaps I've missed the news story about Russian soldiers cutting out prisoners' hearts as blood sacrifices to the maize god… Regardless, modern violence is also condemned when it happens. Unless done by the in-group, then apologists try to brush it away as necessary for some reason or another. If your point was meant to be about the latter, I'd agree, though it didn't come across like that on the first reading — those sacrifices (and indeed the in/out group difference) are the "why" in "Why would you think Mayans are any more violent than other contemporary or later civilizations?"

LtWorf 3y ago

Hehehehehe, my code of conduct starts with "No USA cultural imperialism allowed" (https://codeberg.org/ltworf/international_code_of_conduct/src/branch/master/CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md https://codeberg.org/ltworf/international_code_of_conduct/sr...) Some people loved it, some others told me I'll never find a job because I'm a bad person who can't work with others (I have a job). edit: in case that wasn't clear, it still doesn't allow child porn…

namaria 3y ago
Ironically in trying to transcend a conflict you never needed to transcend because you're not even a part of, you just sound like you picked a side.
- LtWorf 3y ago
  It is purely based on past experience of who opens bug reports to complain about things.
  - namaria 3y ago
    And you chose to react to it by publishing something about it. It wasn't inevitable. You can always ignore irrelevant issues.
    - LtWorf 3y ago
      Code of conduct is compulsory these days, or github nags you about lacking it. And I couldn't pick one of those that say "no skill discrimination", since that is just wrong. So since I had to write my own, might as well address the issues I've encountered.
      - namaria 3y ago
        Yeah that's my whole point. You made a choice to position yourself in a debate where you don't even have a voice and in pretending to transcend it you just sound like one of the sides in it.
        LtWorf 3y ago
        Your whole point is saying that I'm wrong, while having no coherent argument for what you're saying. Ok. Can you come up with an argument next time?
        namaria 3y ago
        Nah it's pretty clear. You are pretending to transcend an American political issue, in a debate where your opinion don't matter in the slightest, but failed and simply took a pretty tired position.
        LtWorf 3y ago
        My opinion does matter :) The code of conduct is there to inform people that if they want to contribute to projects where that code of conduct is adopted, acting like you are doing now will get them a ban.
        namaria 3y ago
        Good thing you have that power to make you feel good huh
        LtWorf 3y ago
        You get horny telling random people on the internet "your opinion doesn't count". I write free software to help others. We aren't the same.
        namaria 3y ago

justaman 3y ago

Modern progressive discourse argues that when the west exports their culture it is native-erasure and neo-colonialism(ie racist). So I think your argument is very much up for debate. Sometimes a part of someone's culture is trash. Sure the Mayans built cool temples, but they were also ultra violent. It sure sounds a lot like you are defending pedos here...

blueflow 3y ago
"Modern progressive discourse" is an US culture export. Also is using "racism" as a substitute for "bad". And what would be a pedo by US standards might be legal and fine in other countries (looking at Japan lolicon situation).
namaria 3y ago
Why would you think Mayans are any more violent than other contemporary or later civilizations?
- ben_w 3y ago
  The reputation of the Mayans was of large scale human sacrifice. As I am not a historian I have no idea how accurate this reputation is, but that reputation is a reason for thinking they were more violent than the average contemporary or later civilisations… …although now I realise I have no idea how it compares to the mass burning of suspected witches in parts of europe.
  - namaria 3y ago
    Unjustified killings are still a thing. Are Mayans ultra violent but Russians not?
    - ben_w 3y ago
      Perhaps I've missed the news story about Russian soldiers cutting out prisoners' hearts as blood sacrifices to the maize god… Regardless, modern violence is also condemned when it happens. Unless done by the in-group, then apologists try to brush it away as necessary for some reason or another. If your point was meant to be about the latter, I'd agree, though it didn't come across like that on the first reading — those sacrifices (and indeed the in/out group difference) are the "why" in "Why would you think Mayans are any more violent than other contemporary or later civilizations?"