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>There's only a handful of companies in the world producing chips at scale, so it wouldn't be too out of the question. Don't think you have any idea how comple

by seper8 3y ago

>There's only a handful of companies in the world producing chips at scale, so it wouldn't be too out of the question. Don't think you have any idea how complex it is to both set up the fabs and run them. Are you gonna fly half of Taiwan to run these fabs here? How long do you think this process is going to take?

apexalpha 3y ago
>Don't think you have any idea how complex it is to both set up the fabs and run them. Are you gonna fly half of Taiwan to run these fabs here? How long do you think this process is going to take? I would think this would all happen the same way it would happen if we lured the companies here with €30 billion.
- seper8 3y ago
  Luring them away is not limiting their ability to sell machines outside of EU, which is what you proposed in your op
- baq 3y ago
  30B € is laughably small for bootstrapping a competitive process business. at least one zero missing. more likely two.
londons_explore 3y ago
Nearly all chip making machines are computer controlled. The operators could easily operate them remotely from Taiwan. Data centers already work that way - the economic value of the physical building is quite small because all the actual moneymaking can be done by an office full of software engineers in san Fransisco.
- seper8 3y ago
  >The operators could easily operate them remotely from Taiwan. It's time to stop talking about things you don't know anything about. Comparing a server to an ASML litography machine...
- nsteel 3y ago
  TSMC have delayed opening their US fab because apparently local talent was lacking, I think that suggests it cannot be done remotely. > Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC) was supposed to have its first Arizona chip factory operational by late 2024 but now has confirmed significant delays. Primarily due to a shortage of technical workers with critical expertise in the US, TSMC projects to finish construction instead by 2025. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/07/tsmc-delays-us-chip-fab-opening-says-us-talent-is-insufficient/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/07/tsmc-delays-us-c...
  - tristan957 3y ago
    Sounds like we're likely to see TSMC have a large hand in determining course work in academia. Thanks for bringing this up.

by seper8 3y ago

apexalpha 3y ago

>Don't think you have any idea how complex it is to both set up the fabs and run them. Are you gonna fly half of Taiwan to run these fabs here? How long do you think this process is going to take? I would think this would all happen the same way it would happen if we lured the companies here with €30 billion.

seper8 3y ago
Luring them away is not limiting their ability to sell machines outside of EU, which is what you proposed in your op
baq 3y ago
30B € is laughably small for bootstrapping a competitive process business. at least one zero missing. more likely two.

londons_explore 3y ago

Nearly all chip making machines are computer controlled. The operators could easily operate them remotely from Taiwan. Data centers already work that way - the economic value of the physical building is quite small because all the actual moneymaking can be done by an office full of software engineers in san Fransisco.

seper8 3y ago
>The operators could easily operate them remotely from Taiwan. It's time to stop talking about things you don't know anything about. Comparing a server to an ASML litography machine...
nsteel 3y ago
TSMC have delayed opening their US fab because apparently local talent was lacking, I think that suggests it cannot be done remotely. > Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC) was supposed to have its first Arizona chip factory operational by late 2024 but now has confirmed significant delays. Primarily due to a shortage of technical workers with critical expertise in the US, TSMC projects to finish construction instead by 2025. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/07/tsmc-delays-us-chip-fab-opening-says-us-talent-is-insufficient/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/07/tsmc-delays-us-c...
- tristan957 3y ago
  Sounds like we're likely to see TSMC have a large hand in determining course work in academia. Thanks for bringing this up.