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This can become very realistic by 2025 even. Just poach the brains at ASML, shower them with money (you know those fucking 50 millions bonuses that shitty CEO's

This can become very realistic by 2025 even. Just poach the brains at ASML, shower them with money (you know those fucking 50 millions bonuses that shitty CEO's enjoy nowadays), give them free hand for all decisions (both tech creativity and management) and voila! - goal achieved. Doubt will happen since this "goal" smells more like another "it's electoral year, let's make some noise in the press" rather than an actual objective.

cellis 3y ago
Money doesn't motivate people for highly technical work, in that way. I suppose if by "shower them with money" you mean provide them with best in class tools then yeah, sure, but then best in class tools have to be built by dedicated and caring engineers. If you gave the average staff engineer an $xmillion bonus that wouldn't appreciably increase their work quality.
hardware2win 3y ago
This isnt some 50ppl startup There are long ass supply chains
- leonheld 3y ago
  The software engineers don't realize that cutting-edge integrated hardware is actually harder than typing a bunch of letters into a terminal. lol.
  - literalAardvark 3y ago
    That's because they've been allowed to call themselves engineers for so long that they're starting to believe they are. Industry is so hard that they often don't even hire from outside. You've either finished school and interned in or you're too difficult to retrain.
    - hardware2win 3y ago
      >That's because they've been allowed to call themselves engineers for so long that they're starting to believe they are. What a take. Is doctor telling bullshit about computers less doctor-ish?
      - literalAardvark 3y ago
        I don't understand your question.
        hardware2win 3y ago
        Software engineeers dont work directly with hardware, it aint their expertise. You definitely can be good SE without understanding semiconductors
        literalAardvark 3y ago
        The problem is that you can also be a programmer without understanding any engineering at all, and most "software engineers" are just that.
literalAardvark 3y ago
This method would take 10-20 years if it works at all. ASML has brains ( and brains are rarely for sale like that, it takes forever to get a large qualified workforce ), suppliers ( their machines are made of very high grade components that are nearly impossible to source ), and a solid head start. This isn't a software company. It's just more practical to work with them.

cellis 3y ago

Money doesn't motivate people for highly technical work, in that way. I suppose if by "shower them with money" you mean provide them with best in class tools then yeah, sure, but then best in class tools have to be built by dedicated and caring engineers. If you gave the average staff engineer an $xmillion bonus that wouldn't appreciably increase their work quality.

hardware2win 3y ago

This isnt some 50ppl startup There are long ass supply chains

leonheld 3y ago
The software engineers don't realize that cutting-edge integrated hardware is actually harder than typing a bunch of letters into a terminal. lol.
- literalAardvark 3y ago
  That's because they've been allowed to call themselves engineers for so long that they're starting to believe they are. Industry is so hard that they often don't even hire from outside. You've either finished school and interned in or you're too difficult to retrain.
  - hardware2win 3y ago
    >That's because they've been allowed to call themselves engineers for so long that they're starting to believe they are. What a take. Is doctor telling bullshit about computers less doctor-ish?
    - literalAardvark 3y ago
      I don't understand your question.
      - hardware2win 3y ago
        Software engineeers dont work directly with hardware, it aint their expertise. You definitely can be good SE without understanding semiconductors
        literalAardvark 3y ago
        The problem is that you can also be a programmer without understanding any engineering at all, and most "software engineers" are just that.

literalAardvark 3y ago

This method would take 10-20 years if it works at all. ASML has brains ( and brains are rarely for sale like that, it takes forever to get a large qualified workforce ), suppliers ( their machines are made of very high grade components that are nearly impossible to source ), and a solid head start. This isn't a software company. It's just more practical to work with them.