I think a lot of those people think that you also get away with a lot without supervision because the average worker will tend to comfortable effort if they thi

I think a lot of those people think that you also get away with a lot without supervision because the average worker will tend to comfortable effort if they think they are not being audited somehow. For me, I could keep productive, but work crept all across the day and sort of put a buzz kill on WFH even when I lived in exotic locations in SE Asia (before the digital nomad thing). I have a lot of manual labor and knowledge skills, so I pretty much work where and when I want. Sometimes I do manual labor overseas in a job that lets me do both. I would never be able to make six figures and do 40 to 50% of my job manually here in the US. The respect for manual labor, the closing of trade schools, and the false ruler of the college degree have led to the decline of such hybrid position possibilities. Construction is still a field where you can wield a computer and have boots-on-the-ground experience. It's also easy to see productivity, something real, tangible as the product, which for me, as an effort of my mind and body (Mens et menus, MIT's slogan) feels more fulfilling than when I was purely doing computer work. I am at the stage of thinking on really working for myself - not for others - by subsistence living with my family. Growing up in Brooklyn, I used to dream about a large piece of land in Wyoming or Montana. By the 80s, the Japanese were buying lots of property in Montana.